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AssassinsMace

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Kinda crazy a person can make this amount of money just selling on a live stream. Maybe Chinese kids will soon pick "social media influencer" as their dream job too lol

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That's why it's so important for the West to have everyone in the world embrace Western culture not because it's better for people's lives. They want those hundreds of millions of dollars going to them for just existing. It's like those T-shirts Americans can buy that say, "I'm famous in Japan." Just because they were American, that automatically meant they were treated as a celebrity in Japan. Hollywood talents agents and managers who had some unknown as a client that they thought could be big celebrities would send them to Japan and let the word out that this American "celebrity" would be arriving and then blindly hundreds of Japanese girls would show-up screaming at the airport to greet this person that they never heard of except that someone said he was an American celebrity. The agents and managers would record it and used it in selling their client in Hollywood. Or look at when used blue jeans worn by Americans would sell in Japan for hundreds of American dollars. That's why I argue that the US doesn't want to isolate China. They want Chinese to hand them their money they earned to Americas for essentially nothing. When the West calls for freedom in China, they're literally talking about freedom for Westerners in China to do this.

If these influencers in China are making that kind of money, it tells you how much more money the companies that hire them to sponsor their products are making. The US wants to be in control of that and tell what US products Chinese should be buying. This is what it's all about really and not what they accuse China. Human rights is just an excuse to have the West have more freedom and influence in China to setup these things. That's why the West is worried China is going against their system. Some Chinese actors make more money than A-list Hollywood actors. These Chinese influencers seem to be making more money than A-list Hollywood actors as well. That pisses them off because they have to be number one in everything and China is not making them number one in everything. They don't like Chinese being innovative because that means they won't be making all the money from licensing fees and royalties. Look at how the US uses it to control countries and which countries they can sell to.
 

windsclouds2030

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Yes. It seems you are right. Yellow represents autonomous zones while orange does no status zones. The same map in Turkish and different colors:
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Thanks for the Turkish map! I just jump in after seeing many posts on Erdogan and his Great Ottoman reminiscence...

And first of all, in no way this post of mine is responding to you, this is about the general perception, responding to all relevant posts, thus no offence at all... I just use your post as a handler for the topic.

Standing from outside, viewing from remote, I just can't stop thinking like this... whatever Erdogan and his sultanate aspiration or simply some political play... as well as his supporters among Turkey-affiliated people may think about Turkey and the Great Ottoman ideals....

The hard facts today, Turkey has population of 86 million people (#17 in the world) with
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of 769,630 Km2 (#37).

It has GDP of about $720 billion in 2020,
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(#19, between Switzerland and Saudi Arabia). Industrialization level, manufacturing capability, science and technology level... well, all are far from the convincing levels.

Probably in relative to its nearby neighborhood, those smaller and weak countries sharing borders with Turkey, they may have fear and feel threatened by Erdogan's elastic, some are even ambitious, adventurous policies... but to say countries like Russia and China (with its westernmost region, Xinjiang) feel (rather) seriously threatened by Erdogan's Turkey, such notions are going too far, off the mark... producing own versions of whatever maps for own use may be good in serving some longing psyche (but with no adequate hard power to back it up... well, it's just some passing breeze). At most Ankara may be a nuisance, causing some inconvenience, but to effect some significant geopolitical threats towards Russia's or China's territories nowadays of whatever the Grander Turk/Ottoman Revival idea is simply too much exaggeration! At best Turkey is just a medium power, and surely not topping the ladder in that class. Too many talks, no play among major powers! Just a down to earth observation, no ridicule, no offence to any one! In agreement with others, Turkey may be more a challenging issue for Europe than for Russia or China... in the case of China, whether or not Turkey has true respect to its size and power, Turkey can hardly cause any serious problem incl. in Xinjiang, China today ain't China of 30 years ago!
 

Knight Kien

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Erdogan is a snake. And as all with all snakes, he should be put down. This "Turkish World Map" is from some weeks ago.
Do you notice anything strange showing in China.......
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The irony is that Turkish people, while culturally Turkic and speak a Turkic language, aren't ethnic Turks like Kazakhs, Bashkirs or Yakutians. Heck, even Northern Han Chinese have more Turkic blood probably, so maybe China should make their own Turkic world map and exclude Turkey from it, lmao.
 

windsclouds2030

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That's why it's so important for the West to have everyone in the world embrace Western culture not because it's better for people's lives. They want those hundreds of millions of dollars going to them for just existing. It's like those T-shirts Americans can buy that say, "I'm famous in Japan." Just because they were American, that automatically meant they were treated as a celebrity in Japan. Hollywood talents agents and managers who had some unknown as a client that they thought could be big celebrities would send them to Japan and let the word out that this American "celebrity" would be arriving and then blindly hundreds of Japanese girls would show-up screaming at the airport to greet this person that they never heard of except that someone said he was an American celebrity. The agents and managers would record it and used it in selling their client in Hollywood. Or look at when used blue jeans worn by Americans would sell in Japan for hundreds of American dollars. That's why I argue that the US doesn't want to isolate China. They want Chinese to hand them their money they earned to Americas for essentially nothing. When the West calls for freedom in China, they're literally talking about freedom for Westerners in China to do this.

If these influencers in China are making that kind of money, it tells you how much more money the companies that hire them to sponsor their products are making. The US wants to be in control of that and tell what US products Chinese should be buying. This is what it's all about really and not what they accuse China. Human rights is just an excuse to have the West have more freedom and influence in China to setup these things. That's why the West is worried China is going against their system. Some Chinese actors make more money than A-list Hollywood actors. These Chinese influencers seem to be making more money than A-list Hollywood actors as well. That pisses them off because they have to be number one in everything and China is not making them number one in everything. They don't like Chinese being innovative because that means they won't be making all the money from licensing fees and royalties. Look at how the US uses it to control countries and which countries they can sell to.
Viya, one of China’s top e-commerce live-streamers, has been fined CNY1.34 billion (USD210 million) for tax evasion of as much as CNY643 million (USD100 million) and underpaid CNY60 million (USD9.4 million) from 2019 to last year, Hangzhou's tax bureau said today.

 
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