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Chin evan said:

Lots of overseas Chinese have their roots trace back to the foreign invasion and internal strife, due to the incompetence of the gov their ancestral rights were rob from them, if giving out basic homes is too hard at least provide a place for them to stay till they are back on their feet, as for the old and sick it's a worthy cause for state and its citizens to provide for them even if there's no material returns
We often overlook old and sick people can inspire others to greatness by just being where they are , I am also not advocating we follow in Israel's footstep directly but go beyond them and be better .

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When China was down, poor, and deemed the sick man of Asia, where were these altruistic Chinese people you speak of? Most of us were probably ashamed of the country, ashamed of it's people for being "uncouthed" and not Westernized, most of all they don't speak the languages of sophistication like English, French, Spanish etc...Just look at how most Hong Kongers used to treat and looked down on Chinese mainlanders, the same can be said of the Chinese in Taiwan. They all used and still do think they are much better than Chinese people and China.

China doesn't owe anyone of us no more than we owe China anything except recognition of the fact that most of us were scattered by choice and or forced by circumstances that our forefathers/mothers endured. The benefits and privileges must be catered first and foremost to those who stayed, endured, and persisted despite the hardships. To the one's who got themselves educated abroad but chose to come back for the love of country and helped China prosper to where it is today; a stronger more resilient country able to defy the juggernaut that's America and the collective west.

If China was as weak as it was in the past, would you even propose such a scenario or feel this entitled to make this emotional demand?

Sardaukar20 said:

Well. Tom Fowdy perhaps deserved some heat for criticising CGTN and Chinese media, abit too harshly. But his criticism does have a point.

The Chinese media doesn't need to become like India's. But they can follow the Russian example. The Russian media is not 100% free as RT likes to boast about. But they have a way of portraying themselves as 'free'.

The no. 1 problem for the Chinese media is presentation. Their content has far more truths than the Western MSM. But their presentation is quite amaturerish. Making it look quite often like cringeworthy propaganda.

As I've said in a post some time ago. Chinese media lectures the message to their viewers. But the Western media leads their viewers to the message. Hence the Western media looks far more organic, even when they are telling you straight up lies. This is a problem of the production. Not the Chinese propaganda.

CGTN might need to bring in an Editor from a more established media like SCMP. Screen that person and ensure that he/she tows the party line. Then allow the Editor to do his/her work with the production team to come out with more professional level propaganda.

Some might criticise this as hypocritical. But which national news media in the world is ever truly free? They all have a state to serve first.

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Agreed, yonden lhatoo from scmp, he's the best I have seen so far

Bellum_Romanum said:

When China was down, poor, and deemed the sick man of Asia, where were these altruistic Chinese people you speak of? Most of us were probably ashamed of the country, ashamed of it's people for being "uncouthed" and not Westernized, most of all they don't speak the languages of sophistication like English, French, Spanish etc...Just look at how most Hong Kongers used to treat and looked down on Chinese mainlanders, the same can be said of the Chinese in Taiwan. They all used and still do think they are much better than Chinese people and China.

China doesn't owe anyone of us no more than we owe China anything except recognition of the fact that most of us were scattered by choice and or forced by circumstances that our forefathers/mothers endured. The benefits and privileges must be catered first and foremost to those who stayed, endured, and persisted despite the hardships. To the one's who got themselves educated abroad but chose to come back for the love of country and helped China prosper to where it is today; a stronger more resilient country able to defy the juggernaut that's America and the collective west.

If China was as weak as it was in the past, would you even propose such a scenario or feel this entitled to make this emotional demand?

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My grandfather was a second generation Malaysian from Penang , he went back to china to fight the Japanese and sun yat Sen came to Penang for support, lots of folks contributed their life and money when china was at its worst, when the Japs came to Penang, thousands of Chinese were killed and rape, my granny had to carry my father who was a baby into the jungle and survived eating treebarks for months .
So please don't presume you know about the sacrifices of overseas Chinese.

Temstar said:

The "Red and Black Ledger" as it's called back during the Chinese Civil War. If you were a somebody you might find your name entered into a line in the ledge. When you did something in the interest of the CPC they will note down a red dot against your name. Conversely if you did something against the interest of CPC they will note down a black dot against your name. If the number of black dots exceed the number of red dots by some critical value you might find yourself getting a visit from an assassin. Conversely when CPC captures and area and lines up KMT people against the wall they will check the ledge and let people off if they have more red dots than black, and if you have a lot more red dots than black CPC would even say you've made outstanding contribution to the revolution and take you in as one of their own.

The idea being that few people are 100% revolutionary or counter-revolutionary, most people exist somewhere in the middle and it would be folly to see the world in black and white terms. Sometimes KMT people might do something in the interest of CPC because they're having a charge of heart; sometimes CPC agents inside KMT might do something against the interest of CPC so that they don't below their cover. How do you recognise weather KMT defectors are genuine or if CPC agents haven't turned double agent? You record down their behaviour overtime in the ledge and let the results speak for themselves.

The CPC doesn't publish the scores in the ledge, just let people know that it exists. As long as you live you retain the ability to improve your score in the ledge. As CPC victory became increasingly likely the ledge became a more and more powerful psychological tool, to the point that by late civil war low ranking KMT people who capture a CPC agent might just slip him a note with name of himself and few friends and let him go, with the understanding that the CPC agent will ensure a red dot in the ledger against everyone's name on the note.

The exact same thing is happening here. I have observed that on Taiwanese TV show people have been arguing that Taiwanese businessmen may not necessarily support DPP, but under current political climate in Taiwan you have to donate to the DPP or else they will start causing trouble for you. The CPC is saying here "well I don't know how you really feel and I recognises your difficulties, but regardless you still have to recognise that every time you donate to DPP you earn yourself a black dot in the ledge and the days of account settling is coming, so you might want to start earning some red dots" and that's exactly what we're seeing here.

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Since ‘tis the season, we might as well call it - Santa’s list with Chinese characteristics.

Chin evan said:

My grandfather was a second generation Malaysian from Penang , he went back to china to fight the Japanese and sun yat Sen came to Penang for support, lots of folks contributed their life and money when china was at its worst, when the Japs came to Penang, thousands of Chinese were killed and rape, my granny had to carry my father who was a baby into the jungle and survived eating treebarks for months .
So please don't presume you know about the sacrifices of overseas Chinese.

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And of course my grandpa got killed and my uneducated granny had to raise my dad herself in the post war years with hardly any jobs

Chin evan said:

Look at this and come to your own conclusion why she end up where she is
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I hope they at least treat their wives well as a redeeming quality. Here's Laowhy86's wife's first time in America. His white parents/siblings made her sit on the van floor below them as they laughed at his racist jokes about her. Oh my.....

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I don't feel anything for that POS Chinese wife other than pity. She willingly went with him despite his anti-China racist tirade. That's on her and not on China.

Temstar said:

The "Red and Black Ledger" as it's called back during the Chinese Civil War. If you were a somebody you might find your name entered into a line in the ledge. When you did something in the interest of the CPC they will note down a red dot against your name. Conversely if you did something against the interest of CPC they will note down a black dot against your name. If the number of black dots exceed the number of red dots by some critical value you might find yourself getting a visit from an assassin. Conversely when CPC captures and area and lines up KMT people against the wall they will check the ledge and let people off if they have more red dots than black, and if you have a lot more red dots than black CPC would even say you've made outstanding contribution to the revolution and take you in as one of their own.



The exact same thing is happening here. I have observed that on Taiwanese TV show people have been arguing that Taiwanese businessmen may not necessarily support DPP, but under current political climate in Taiwan you have to donate to the DPP or else they will start causing trouble for you. The CPC is saying here "well I don't know how you really feel and I recognises your difficulties, but regardless you still have to recognise that every time you donate to DPP you earn yourself a black dot in the ledge and the days of account settling is coming, so you might want to start earning some red dots" and that's exactly what we're seeing here.

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That's interesting. I mean if he is basically not a separatist but just playing the game cuz there is no choice if they want to do well in tw. Unfortunately they can't do this forever. In the past china mainland has tolerated this. However the DPP has upped their shenanigans and this is letting the taiwan business in mainland earn mainland rmb and essentially use that cash to contribute to anti mainland separatist stuff in tw. Tough break but gotta be done. Hope that move on to entertainment business too. I'm pretty sure there are tw actors earning big money in mainland who are secretly pro independence

Topazchen said:

Look at Al Jazeera and that's what CGTN needs to emulate .

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THE ANGRY ARAB: The Rise and Fall of Aljazeera

There was an inevitable conflict in the roles of the Arab television network that inexorably led to its decline, writes As’ad AbuKhalil.

The launch of the Aljazeera television network 25 years ago this month in 1996 was a monumental event in the contemporary history of Arab media. One can easily compare it to the rise of Voice of the Arabs, the Egyptian radio broadcast founded by Gamal Abdel Nasser in Egypt in 1953.

Aljazeera came into existence at a time of regional political instability in the Arabian peninsula. The then emir of Qatar, Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani, came to power in 1995, having overthrown his father. That family coup so disturbed the Saudi royal family that they tried to overthrow al-Thani a year later. Riyadh felt that any deviation from the established line of succession would amount to a betrayal of centuries-old traditions that have been key to stable political succession.

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The channel passionately urged the toppling of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, but refrained from advocating the overthrow of the King of Bahrain next door. If anything, the network supported the Saudi invasion of Bahrain to crush its rebellion.

Reasons for Decline

It was around that time that Arabs started to abandon the channel in droves.

There are no reliable figures to document the decline of Aljazeera and the channel still claims to have a leading position among Arab media. But many factors have brought about the decline of Aljazeera:

- the control by the Muslim Brotherhood of the network drastically undermined its professionalism;

- U.S. pressure on Qatar softened the coverage of the U.S. The director-general of Aljazeera told me how the U.S. embassy in Doha submitted regular critical reports about the coverage of Aljazeera demanding that changes be made. In 2009, Haim Saban, the Israeli-American media mogul, tried to purchase the channel.

-the use of Aljazeera either to first offend and then appease Saudi Arabia turned the network away from journalism and towards propaganda.

- the rise of local channels in Arab countries damaged the ratings of all pan-Arab channels, like Al-Arabiya, Aljazeera and MBC.

- the resort to sectarian agitation by some personalities on Aljazeera, and the pro-Taliban, pro-al-Qa`ida sympathies of some Aljazeera correspondents (like Ahmad Zaidan), hurt the image of the network with the larger Arab audience and narrowed the appeal and audience share of the channel.

Aljazeera was one of the most interesting cases of a new Arab media in the 21st century; it promised a break from traditional stale and rigid Arab news broadcasts but eventually failed in its mission. The early years of the network showed more professionalism in news than is seen on U.S. TV networks.

But the Qatari government’s control of the channel would inevitably cause a conflict between its professional mission and its propaganda role. Propaganda won and the Arab public is the worse for it.


As`ad AbuKhalil is a Lebanese-American professor of political science at California State University, Stanislaus. He is the author of the Historical Dictionary of Lebanon (1998), Bin Laden, Islam and America’s New War on Terrorism (2002) and The Battle for Saudi Arabia (2004). He tweets as @asadabukhalil

Bellum_Romanum said:

I don't feel anything for that POS Chinese wife other than pity. She willingly went with him despite his anti-China racist tirade. That's on her and not on China.

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But I do pity her, it's the prevailing thought of a western/white worship culture in Chinese society including Singapore and Malaysia that has overpowered ignorant minds and can we put the blame on her alone?

Those three have a very obvious target of course. I follow the American and European trade officials and their actions daily for 3.5 years now and their goal is to shove their desired economic system (Washington Consensus) upon China and other under the righteouss language banner of 'fair trade, level playing field' and other sugarcoating words.