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NiuBiDaRen

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All the cards are falling in place. Now when will Xi press the button? @Overbom

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We gotta wait till 2049 to press the button called 'The Rejuvenation of the Great Chinese Nation'

Le sigh.
 
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9dashline

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And are those countries politically aligned or opposed to Japan? Ahhhh and the conclusion presents itself once again. Without political alignement, there is no soft power. With political alignment, soft power is unecessary anyway as it is a war already won. You would have to show me a country with political alignment against Japan but a positive image of Japan in order to prove a point that soft/flaccid/limp power is good for anything.
Probably Vietnam, not aligned but also not against but different political system, it has positive image of Japan.
That's not an answer to the majority of the paragraph you quoted, which debunks your fantasies of what playing a Chinese game would do.

But realists prefer a world with their nation on top, without war preferably, but with if necessary. Holding back any aspect as "going too far cus people might get hurt" that could have been used to claim global supremacy is just asanine and done by no one with understanding or importance.
I did not say by only playing Chinese game, it is only one example.

When President Xi and leader from Taiwan, Ma Ying-jeou met, the first time in decades (
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). It almost prove that without going for hard power, peaceful reunification can be achieved.

I just did it, many times. And your answer goes no further than that it exists.

Bring him to this forum. He won't answer my emails. Hiding because he can't win the debate no doubt. You know if you don't show up in court, you don't keep the status quo; you lose, right?
Well, since he is the established one, and maybe many people don't know who manqiangrexue is, I think it is normal for you to approach him first. He has an article in Nature (
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Your main point is impertinant, though true and obvious. France hated the US for all of 5 minutes when America pulled its sub deal with Australia out from under it, but it had to come back nonetheless because they are politically aligned and could not afford to keep public opinion too different from political alignment for too long. It fluctuated but within a positive range; for an enemy state, if fluctuates within a negative range. Political alignment and hard power is everything; soft/flaccid/limp power cannot be used to fight this, only complement what already exists in an arguably insignificant way. This all fails to address my main point, which is that no amount of soft power or cultural influence is effective against a political foe and no amount is needed with a political ally. Both of these are decided by hard power. Therefore, only hard power matters; soft/flaccid/limp power is useless.

Well... except for earning money. It's not free to play China's games or use our products. I'm not saying cut anybody off; I'm saying not to invest in or expect to change anybody's perception of your nation based on them.
As I said, we have different understanding of what hard/soft power is.
 

manqiangrexue

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Probably Vietnam, not aligned but also not against but different political system, it has positive image of Japan.
So... when asked to find a country with a positive view of Japan despite negative political alignment, you see you failed, right?
I did not say by only playing Chinese game, it is only one example.
It is one failed example as it cannot do what you want it to. No other example can turn political foe to ally either.
When President Xi and leader from Taiwan, Ma Ying-jeou met, the first time in decades (
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). It almost prove that without going for hard power, peaceful reunification can be achieved.
It almost proved means that it didn't prove, right? LOL You either reunified or you didn't and they didnt. And that almost is your very strange opinion because there were no talks of reunion, no contracts considered or drawn up; how is that almost? The ROC was simply less quarrelsome under Ma.
Well, since he is the established one, and maybe many people don't know who manqiangrexue is, I think it is normal for you to approach him first. He has an article in Nature (
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I approached him and he doesn't dare answer. Now what?

Gordon Chang is also an "established one" right? How about Larry Kudlow? Donald Trump, president of the US, higher than them all? They can't be wrong because of who they are? LOL When you focus on who the person is rather than what he's saying, it shows that you don't have a leg to stand on and cannot argue the point intelligently.
As I said, we have different understanding of what hard/soft power is.
Different being that I'm right and you're wrong.

But also, there is so much more in that paragraph for you to discuss if you had anything in you. This little sentence means nothing. You just ran away from the whole paragraph because you cannot argue against it.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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I saw an increase in goodwill because of the game sales there (
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Based on my own experience, I play some games without researching where they come from and then later on I found out it was made by Chinese developers. If many of them experience the same thing as me, but they already hooked with the game, they might as well still playing the game.

Again, this is my personal opinion, I don't think you can win heart and mind of people in Taiwan with hard power.


If you have your own definition of hard/soft power, how can I force you to accept my own definition? If you don't like wikipedia/google definition, then you can search from baidu.
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One of the results:
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It uses the same definition that I got from wikipedia/google.


We still have different understanding what hard/soft power is.


It is best not to underestimate your enemies. Time is on China's side. Be patient. As long as Taiwan does not declare indepedence, China still has hope that it does not need to use force (war). Why don't we ask ourselves, why Japan who once colonized Taiwan are now preferred by some people in Taiwan rather with Mainland China.
Lol man, you're funny. You're assumptions and perceptions of what constitute soft power and hard power are so pedestrian it's hilarious. You sound like one of those geeks in high school that will do anything to either get with the hot girls or be on the cool side with the jocks and other popular kids that you'll do anything to be liked. You'll do their homework for free in hopes that one day the hot girls will finally see you for what you are, a bright young peace loving lad that want nothing more to be acknowledged as a real person and maybe, if possible allow to be a bf to those girls which will never come and didn't come. And the jocks simply kept using your good hearted albeit foolish nature to your detriment but to their full advantage. So while those jocks not only get to screw those hot girls by your soft power gullibility you allow them to pass high school without much effort since you willingly subsidized their studies to no benefit to you whatsoever other than "being liked" and getting the usual kiss on the cheek from the people that just USED your own insecurities, good hearted nature against you.

This is how I read and interpret your intentions and wish for China to adopt which is rather unfortunate and fatalistically naive and dangerous.
 

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All the cards are falling in place. Now when will Xi press the button? @Overbom

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We gotta wait till 2049 to press the button called 'The Rejuvenation of the Great Chinese Nation'

Le sigh.

Earlier than you think but later than many people expect.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Playing game from China which shows Chinese culture might make people to learn more history of China and lead to better understanding. The target is younger generation. There is a saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". Example of game which hasn't released yet:

Look at the likes and dislikes.


It is not impossible. China almost did it when Ma Ying-jeou was in office.


Here again. As long as I still prefer to use the founder's definition which already existed for decades and who is former assistant secretary of defense of US and professor from Harvard University, then we will keep have different definition of hard/soft power.
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You did underestimate, this is what you said before


Not really. US has negative public image in some Europe countries although they are not politically antagonistic rival nations.
And here's the answer to yet again, another unfortunate example not bearing reality.
 

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Bellum_Romanum

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Joseph Nye directly, and if you win, I might consider to use your definition.
There you go Anglo worshipping fella. You are already on the losing side when you let your enemies or perceived rival define the rules of the game or in this case what constitute "Soft power" and what doesn't. If Joseph Nye was not an American but a by product or a citizen of say any African countries would his "theory" become the influential since his theories are abstract and his discipline is not exactly in hard science where everything can be quantified and replicated through experiments.

You keep saying agree to disagree but yet you keep peddling your nonsense and has no basis in any historical precedents to prove that your flowery theory holds any sway in the real world.

America post WWII helped define, redesigned the New World Order that all of us are currently still living under. The baton of world hegemon was passed from the British to the U.S. which is simply a continuation of ANGLO speaking and western influence that's penetrated the whole psyche of the world. The penetrating success of their culture, religion, and political philosophies were achieved through the barrel of their cannons, bayonets, and later through their NUKES.

Your naivete is borderline annoying because you sound like a teeny bopper or a young person that has to experience the realities of the world.

Do you think the African Americans who resides in North America, the First nation's people, the Mexicans who lost their territories of California and Tejas willingly obliged or convinced to come to the new world (America) changed their religion, gave up their ancestral lands, gave up their territories due to the convincing soft power of saying Please by the Americans? Or did those groups simply got swept aside due to the huge disparity of military power (hard power) by the Americans and their willingness to kill every last one of them to achieve their overarching objective which were to expand the continental America through subjugation and conquests and the black slaves as nothing but free labour.

I hope that no future Chinese leader will be infected by your inferior line of thinking because that'll simply invite chaos, misery, and war three things that you're supposedly against.
 

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So... when asked to find a country with a positive view of Japan despite negative political alignment, you see you failed, right?
Russia is not political alignment with Japan but its people view Japan positively.

It is one failed example as it cannot do what you want it to. No other example can turn political foe to ally either.
It is not simply turning political foe to become ally but at least being neutral. You don't need to hate or like someone, just being neutral is fine.

It almost proved means that it didn't prove, right? LOL You either reunified or you didn't and they didnt. And that almost is your very strange opinion because there were no talks of reunion, no contracts considered or drawn up; how is that almost? The ROC was simply less quarrelsome under Ma.
At least they talk, better than rather tense situation right now. A Journey of a Thousand Miles Begins with a Single Step.

Gordon Chang is also an "established one" right? How about Larry Kudlow? Donald Trump, president of the US, higher than them all? They can't be wrong because of who they are? LOL When you focus on who the person is rather than what he's saying, it shows that you don't have a leg to stand on and cannot argue the point intelligently.
You are comparing people with different qualifications and intellect.
Different being that I'm right and you're wrong.

But also, there is so much more in that paragraph for you to discuss if you had anything in you. This little sentence means nothing. You just ran away from the whole paragraph because you cannot argue against it.
Wrong if using your definition.

I am not running but you seem don't want to understand, US and Europe are culturally almost the same. Culture is one factor of soft power.

This will be my last post discussing this topic. I give up. :p
 
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