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manqiangrexue

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Playing game from China which shows Chinese culture might make people to learn more history of China and lead to better understanding. The target is younger generation. There is a saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks". Example of game which hasn't released yet:
First of all, this is not an example of what you said before; you said a game that people could not tell was Chinese winning them over before they discover that it's Chinese. And I said that they pose no cultural relevence to China. This one you show is unmistakably Chinese from the first scene so it is not a proper example. However, let's roll with it anyway.

How many games and anime has Japan made flush with Japanese culture? Is Japan viewed positively or negatively in China and South Korea?

Why wouldn't someone really love the Chinese food they eat and be tempted to look up where its from and learn the culture? It's the same thing: people will use what they want from their enemies but will not love their enemies for it. Your extremely naivity in your fantastical conflict-less world view is pouring over to cloud your evaluation of the effects of products producing "soft/flaccid/limp" power. I eat Indian food; I drive a Japanese car; when I'm bored out of my mind, I play free American games on the computer maybe once every month or 2; it doesn't mean I like or even hold neutral opinions of any of those nations. I consider them all every bit as evil as if I'd never touched their products once. Americans feel that way about China as well or hatred towards China wouldn't be climbing as it is right now in the US and its puppet states. That's the real normal world that we live in.
Look at the likes and dislikes.
Why? Who's going to dislike a game of a monkey beating shit up with his stick?
It is not impossible. China almost did it when Ma Ying-jeou was in office.
Almost did what? What time period caused you to misinterpret that as nearly a peaceful reunion? LOL
Here again. As long as I still prefer to use the founder's definition which already existed for decades and who is former assistant secretary of defense of US and professor from Harvard University, then we will keep have different definition of hard/soft power.
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Like I said, my argument is founded on a plethora of reasons, none of which you can rebut, for why this definition and its founder are wrong. Your argument is only that it exists so it's good enough. The theory for the earth being flat also exists as its founder had first suggested and it was also backed by prominant scientists at the time. It's as correct as the soft power definition that you cling to.
You did underestimate, this is what you said before
You asked how the ROC can be reunified and I said this way. I clearly meant that as a future scenerio for how. It's obviously not now as evidenced by the fact that it's not currently happening. Basic logic reasoning and English comprehension are required.
Not really. US has negative public image in some Europe countries although they are not politically antagonistic rival nations.
Like I said, reading comprehension is needed. I said I cannot think of a country that has a POSITIVE public image in a nemesis nation. And you gave me an example of a country with a NEGATIVE public image in a nation that it does not have rivalries with. Did you fail to understand what I said or are you logically unable to comprehend the difference between what I said and what you did?

Of course the US can have a negative image in any countries that don't lick American boots for survival. Any country capable of common sense seeing the atrocities America commits all over the world and doesn't actively use media propaganda to spin it to their citizens will and should have a negative image regarding the US for the horrible crimes that it factually commits.
 
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weig2000

Captain
I see people still debate soft power vs. hard power page after page. I have given my opinion about them before.

But I really dislike the term "soft power, " which was created by some American and has seemed to be used to refer to everything not hard power. That's neither good nor helpful. It's like some anglo coined the term "BRIC" and these four nations dutifully formed a group, which had proved rather useless. China invested much in the group but now seems to be stuck with it without knowing what to do with them as a group.

Better use media savvy or diplomatic skill or cultural appeal, instead of lumping together to create a hodge-podge of many different things. It provides no guidance as to where China needs to improve or evolve.
 

NiuBiDaRen

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The US ladies and gentlemen, reverting back to barter economy due to inflation.

Come to think of it, this is technically a primitive form of communism.
I like how the US can spin anything.

Doling freebies out to poor/underprivileged people is given the name 'Buy Nothing social movement' as though it's some hipster thing.

They sure can spin things better than a spider on Red Bull.
 

Cyclist

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How many games and anime has Japan made flush with Japanese culture? Is Japan viewed positively or negatively in China and South Korea?
Japan might be hated in China and South Korea but it has better image in many other countries.

Why wouldn't someone really love the Chinese food they eat and be tempted to look up where its from and learn the culture? It's the same thing: people will use what they want from their enemies but will not love their enemies for it. Your extremely naivity in your fantastical conflict-less world view is pouring over to cloud your evaluation of the effects of products producing "soft/flaccid/limp" power. I eat Indian food; I drive a Japanese car; when I'm bored out of my mind, I play free American games on the computer maybe once every month or 2; it doesn't mean I like or even hold neutral opinions of any of those nations. I consider them all every bit as evil as if I'd never touched their products once.
Yes, as I said before I prefer world with no war.

I have high hope when President Xi and leader from Taiwan Ma Ying-jeou met, the first time in decades.
Like I said, my argument is founded on a plethora of reasons, none of which you can rebut, for why this definition and its founder are wrong. Your argument is only that it exists so it's good enough. The theory for the earth being flat also exists as its founder had first suggested and it was also backed by prominant scientists at the time. It's as correct as the soft power definition that you cling to.
Earth being flat has been debunked, the soft power defintion by Joseph Nye hasn't been debunked. Maybe when you can challenge Joseph Nye directly, and if you win, I might consider to use your definition.
Like I said, reading comprehension is needed. I said I cannot think of a country that has a POSITIVE public image in a nemesis nation. And you gave me an example of a country with a NEGATIVE public image in a nation that it does not have rivalries with. Did you fail to understand what I said or are you logically unable to comprehend the difference between what I said and what you did?

Of course the US can have a negative image in any countries that don't lick American boots for survival. Any country capable of common sense seeing the atrocities America commits all over the world and doesn't actively use media propaganda to spin it to their citizens will and should have a negative image regarding the US for the horrible crimes that it factually commits.
LoL, this is what you said.
There is no country (that I can think of) that enjoys a positive public image in a politically antagonistic rival nation. This shows that the concept of "soft/flaccid/limp" power is useless as it all depends on hard power and political alliance.
My main point is that even between allies like UK and US, public image can go up and down. Public image might change with what you do with your hard/soft power.
 
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manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Japan might be hated in China and South Korea but it has better image in many other countries.
And are those countries politically aligned or opposed to Japan? Ahhhh and the conclusion presents itself once again. Without political alignment, there is no soft power. With political alignment, soft power is unecessary anyway as it is a war already won. You would have to show me a country with political alignment against Japan but a positive image of Japan in order to prove a point that soft/flaccid/limp power is good for anything.
Yes, as I said before I prefer world with no war.
That's not an answer to the majority of the paragraph you quoted, which debunks your fantasies of what playing a Chinese game would do to an anti-Chinese audience.

But realists prefer a world with their nation on top, without war preferably, but with if necessary. Holding back any aspect as "going too far cus people might get hurt" that could have been used to claim global supremacy is just asanine and done by no one with understanding or importance.
Earth being flat has been debunked, the soft power defintion by Joseph Nye hasn't been debunked.
I just did it, many times. And your answer goes no further than that it exists.
Maybe when you can challenge Joseph Nye directly, and if you win, I might consider to use your definition.
Bring him to this forum. He won't answer my emails. Hiding because he can't win the debate no doubt. You know if you don't show up in court, you don't keep the status quo; you lose, right?
LoL, this is what you said.
Yes, and you apparently read something different.
My main point is that even between allies like UK and US, public image can go up and down. Public image might change with what you do with your hard/soft power.
Your main point is impertinant, though true and obvious. France hated the US for all of 5 minutes when America pulled its sub deal with Australia out from under it, but it had to come back nonetheless because they are politically aligned and could not afford to keep public opinion too different from political alignment for too long. It fluctuated but within a positive range; for an enemy state, if fluctuates within a negative range. Political alignment and hard power is everything; soft/flaccid/limp power cannot be used to fight this, only complement what already exists in an arguably insignificant way. This all fails to address my main point, which is that no amount of soft power or cultural influence is effective against a political foe and no amount is needed with a political ally. Both of these are decided by hard power. Therefore, only hard power matters; soft/flaccid/limp power is useless.

Well... except for earning money. It's not free to play China's games or use our products. I'm not saying cut anybody off; I'm saying not to invest in or expect to change anybody's perception of your nation based on them.
 
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HereToSeePics

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Jack Ma is missing. Ends up being a fake story.

China’s top intelligence official has defected. Ends up being a fake story.

Peng Shuai is missing. Ends up being a fake story.

Someone is playing a game. Build up these big stories and let it spread for a while as more people read up on it. Then suddenly the story is debunked.

The problem is that mainstream western media won't usually post a followup story saying Jack Ma or Peng Shuai is alive and unharmed, and that people overreacted for over nothing.

People have short attention spans and the initial story of people "going missing" will stick in their consciousness a lot more than any future story(if any) that come to dispute or corrects the first claim. I still run across the occasional reddit/twitter comment from people who still think Jack Ma is gone and don't know he's been seen alive.

Correctly and elegantly handling a PR incident goes a long way in managing the narrative in the first few critical days that will pay dividends down the road.
 
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