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Cyclist said:

I guess we need to agree to disagree on this matter.

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Too early to call; we're still pointing out things instead of in deadlock.

Cyclist said:

If you think China is already doing enough then fine. As for me, I think China still needs much more improvement.

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I think it's enough in terms of specifically targeting PR/imagery. More will not get you more as you run into brick walls trying to influence the opinions of people in countries where the government is antagonistic to China. They control their media; you cannot. You are running into severe diminishing returns by continuing to invest in pleasing them. But by growing hard power, there is no diminishing return but compounding effect as the power balance tilts. Resources should be invested where they have maximal effect.

Cyclist said:

IMHO, Public Relations matters and China knows that image matter in the world that's why China let reporters from CCTV/CGTN to create youtube or twitter accounts to promote China's voices.

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They are controlled by an enemy state and can be shut down once you start doing well.

Cyclist said:

Or create rule to curb bad behaviors from China tourists when overseas and they will be punished (

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I think that's actually in effect simply because it embarrasses China to have people behave like uncultured asses abroad.

Cyclist said:

Even when China was poor, it helped develop train in Africa (

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). I don't think it was about hard economic power, but soft power.

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A starving camel is still heavier than a horse. Even when China was poor, it still had the hard economic power to do this; many smaller countries do not.

Cyclist said:

Another example, just because of bad rumours/news, etc, South Koreans from positive views toward China now become negative. As for people in Japan, Vietnam, India or Taiwan province, I think we already know how they view China.

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What do these places have in common? They are all vassals of the US and as this competition heats up, the US is commanding them to hate China. They must oblige. They dare not view China well because if they do, they will come to an extremely inconvenient truth that in order to remain in good moral standing, they must support China against the US. And for most of them, the consequences that the US will impose would be crippling... until China surpasses the US in hard power.

Vietnam is different. We are contesting ocean space with them; don't expect them to like that but from what I can tell, they respect China's power as America simply cannot do anything against it in the SCS.

Cyclist said:

Maybe I am naive but I think rivalry does not mean to hate each other, not sure if I can take example rivalry in sports where you don't need to hate each other but to compete healthily.

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Very naive. This is not sports or a game. This is the realest and most consequential thing in our lives and in the world. This is the future of our children and whether they enter this world as its masters or its servants. Nothing is off-limits and nothing is cheating in this fight for global supremacy. This is the kind of thing that heroes sacrifice their lives for.

DarkStar said:

Asian boss? Seriously? That piece of white worshipping garbage that's on par with the falun dafa youtube channels like the Behind the Great Wall?

Yeah sure, why don't i just cite tim pool as well for factual Chinese news. Hell, the fact that you honestly thought Asian Boss would be a reliable source proves your implicit white anglo supremacist biases/white worshipping biases.

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Oh come on, have you watched the video? I think it is quite fair and they also did street interview in China unlike those Falungong channels. For example this regarding Evergrande

escobar said:

No, it is you and your educator who fail to understand. The perception war has nothing to do with internalized obedience of hard power

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I'm not his educator; he understands. I am your educator, but you are a poor student who cannot learn and throws little hissy fits, goes hiding when he's embarrassed. There is not any perception war that makes any difference (except perhaps domestic, where China is unchallengeable). Obedience of hard power is what matters and it is what you and those who erroneously vaunt "soft/flaccid/limp" power mistake it for.

This is a really interesting topic and I am enjoying the conversation. I think soft power usually comes behind or certainly always comes behind, years after, the economic triumph, and the impatient stumble upon this reality

W20 said:

This is a really interesting topic and I am enjoying the conversation. I think soft power usually comes behind or certainly always comes behind, years after, the economic triumph, and the impatient stumble upon this reality

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That's obvious. Because in order to get hard power, it means you have strong economy, strong military, strong technology

After that happens, soft power grows organically by itself. People from all over the world would study how the country rose, how it managed to solve problems

Then the people would also travel there, witness themselves the technological superiority of that country, spread the news to their country, more people will then visit etc

As I have said, China only needs to grow its economy and that's it. Reduce poverty, increase living conditions in poor areas, increase incomes, more modernisation, more Chinese innovative products

People here act like China can propagandise itselfI into having soft power. When people visit Chinese 4th tier cities, how can they believe that China is a country to emulate? (Especially from a Western perspective)


So what is happening right now is that China serves as an example to be admired by people from poor developing countries, while it is detested from Western developed countries as it is nothing "special"

What needs to happen is wait for 2035 when the ecoomy would be much more advanced, and then Western people would start admiring China as well

manqiangrexue said:

Too early to call; we're still pointing out things instead of in deadlock.

I think it's enough in terms of specifically targeting PR/imagery. More will not get you more as you run into brick walls trying to influence the opinions of people in countries where the government is antagonistic to China. They control their media; you cannot. You are running into severe diminishing returns by continuing to invest in pleasing them. But by growing hard power, there is no diminishing return but compounding effect as the power balance tilts. Resources should be invested where they have maximal effect.

They are controlled by an enemy state and can be shut down once you start doing well.

I think that's actually in effect simply because it embarrasses China to have people behave like uncultured asses abroad.

A starving camel is still heavier than a horse. Even when China was poor, it still had the hard economic power to do this; many smaller countries do not.

What do these places have in common? They are all vassals of the US and as this competition heats up, the US is commanding them to hate China. They must oblige. They dare not view China well because if they do, they will come to an extremely inconvenient truth that in order to remain in good moral standing, they must support China against the US. And for most of them, the consequences that the US will impose would be crippling... until China surpasses the US in hard power.

Vietnam is different. We are contesting ocean space with them; don't expect them to like that but from what I can tell, they respect China's power as America simply cannot do anything against it in the SCS.

Very naive. This is not sports or a game. This is the realest and most consequential thing in our lives and in the world. This is the future of our children and whether they enter this world as its masters or its servants. Nothing is off-limits and nothing is cheating in this fight for global supremacy. This is the kind of thing that heroes sacrifice their lives for.

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If they got shut down, I think it will be PR win for China, there is nothing to lose, but at least China is trying to voice its opinions. You seem to suggest China not even need trying to do public relations to present better image of China to the world.

Well maybe I am naive, common prosperity will be just a dream then. I thought we are all just human who will work together and advance the world, if we need to compete then just compete healthily. No servants no masters.

Cyclist said:

Oh come on, have you watched the video? I think it is quite fair and they also did street interview in China unlike those Falungong channels. For example this regarding Evergrande

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I've watched enough Asian boss to know they cater to the same audience who like the Dragonball Z movie ie weaboos and white male Incels obsessed with asian culture- which i can't say i blame these YouTubers for wanting to make $$ for the youtube algorithm but it's no different to minstrel acts.
I suppose the main guy being a hapa would also be a contributing factor as well.

Overbom said:

That's obvious. Because in order to get hard power, it means you have strong economy, strong military, strong technology

After that happens, soft power grows organically by itself. People from all over the world would study how the country rose, how it managed to solve problems

Then the people would also travel there, witness themselves the technological superiority of that country, spread the news to their country, more people will then visit etc

As I have said, China only needs to grow its economy and that's it. Reduce poverty, increase living conditions in poor areas, increase incomes, more modernisation, more Chinese innovative products

People here act like China can propagandise itselfI into having soft power. When people visit Chinese 4th tier cities, how can they believe that China is a country to emulate? (Especially from a Western perspective)


So what is happening right now is that China serves as an example to be admired by people from poor developing countries, while it is detested from Western developed countries as it is nothing "special"

What needs to happen is wait for 2035 when the ecoomy would be much more advanced, and then Western people would start admiring China as well

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I wouldn't call that soft power, which is an oxymoron. What you have described is admiration of hard power. It is backed by and is an extension of hard power; it relies on hard power. There's nothing soft about it. In order to have soft power, the country should be basically soft and non-threatening to anyone and attract adoration simply by the loveliness of its culture. Japanese cartoons and German beer festivals come to mind. Superpowers don't use soft power; they use extended, secondary hard power reliant on their national strength.

Cyclist said:

If they got shut down, I think it will be PR win for China, there is nothing to lose, but at least China is trying to voice its opinions. You seem to suggest China not even need trying to do public relations to present better image of China to the world.

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This is already happening. Some Pro-China accounts are being shut down and Twitter/FB just say it was a troll account with a fake user. There's no PR win; Westerners think desperate China is making fake accounts to look good. China already does some of that but it doesn't need to improve or invest more because the ones who hate China hate it either for its strength or hate it because they are under America's hard power boot and are being commanded to hate China. Hating China because China is evil is only an excuse to fool themselves that they are good people/doing right instead of being a vassal or scared of competition. Only hard power is the solution.

Cyclist said:

Well maybe I am naive, common prosperity will be just a dream then. I thought we are all just human who will work together and advance the world, if we need to compete then just compete healthily. No servants no masters.

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Yeahhhhhh that's not going to happen unless the world needs to unite to fight off an alien invasion. This is a fantasy now. The reality is countries hating each other willing to tear each other to shreds to be on top. That's human and that's now and if you lay down your arms and start talking about a world with no masters or servants, your enemy will run you over before you even finish your sentence. It's a nasty eat or be eaten world out there.

Petrolicious88 said:

China’s economic development over the last 30 years deserves administration and respect. People do want to, and many, admire China’s level of development, and all the benefits that come with it. But very actually want to be like China.

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Very few? Most of the developing world looks towards China as a role model, and many countries have tried to imitate China to varying degrees of success (Vietnam, Nigeria etc.).

Petrolicious88 said:

China’s hard power has not translated into equivalent soft power. The problem is structural, webbed into the nature of China’s political system.

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The reason for this is pretty simple - China's hard power has not reached the critical threshold that allows for a transition into tangible soft power. For that to occur China would need to move to the peak of the technological value chain and supersede the US as the global hyperpower.

Also, not sure if you've realised but all the nations that have supposed "soft power“ (barring the US itself) are close allies or vassals of the US (UK, France, South Korea, Japan...).

DarkStar said:

I've watched enough Asian boss to know they cater to the same audience who like the Dragonball Z movie ie weaboos and white male Incels obsessed with asian culture- which i can't say i blame these YouTubers for wanting to make $$ for the youtube algorithm but it's no different to minstrel acts.
I suppose the main guy being a hapa would also be a contributing factor as well.

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I don't watch many other AsianBoss videos, only watch the ones which related to China. IMHO, the street interview in South Korea is quite fair. It confirm with the poll from South Korea: