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Michaelsinodef said:

I think people are already waking up to the realities despite the fact the CPC haven't even pressed the speeder on propaganda/media campaign on the western world.

I'm even reminded of somewhere I saw that a 'newer wave' of marxism has even sprung up amongst young people in China (also the overall trust to the chinese government has been steadily increasing over the years this decade).

Besides all of the above, there's like jokes about how chinese people comes to love China more after studying abroad (lots of things they take for granted like safety/low crime rate, infrastructure, food etc.).

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Yes, nationalism is growing in China and people are waking up but it's just due to subjective reporting of the abomination that the US has become in its happless struggle to contain China. Despite a few patriotic movies as of late (Dying to see "Sniper" when it comes out), China does not demonize its enemies like the US and Russia do. For this reason, seeing and treating Westerners with the emnity that they deserve is nowhere near mainstream in China. I don't blame the CCP at all; this might be a strategy to suck in investments, recruit talent, etc... from them but at this point, it is the truth that Chinese people have much much less hate for the Westerners that hate the Chinese with every fiber of their beings.

Crang said:

Damn in what world do you live in that white people say that to you

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They say it when they do business in China. They'll kiss any ass in any way for money and then let the hatred simmer inside to a creamy melt-in-your-mouth culinary perfection all the while.

manqiangrexue said:

The CCP still hides its citizens from the ugly truth of the world letting them live more happy and sunshine-filled lives but if it wants ultimate national coherence and steel solid cooperation from its citizens in areas of consumer choice and career selection, this is the monster that it can let out of the closet. The CCP can sponser and quickly grow to mainstream a show that showcases and analyzes the most insulting and chauvinistic of foriegn forums and unblock them from China's firewall so the Chinese people can see for themselves how much Westerners really hate and fear their Chinese blood.

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This is a complex and a difficult thing to do. The CPC (IMO) is rightly concerned about increased nationalism. Even now, there is an increasing nationalistic sentiment, can you imagine if everyone were suddenly exposed to what the West says?..

Obviously there is patriotism, but there is also a persistent nationalistic element which the CPC has been suppressing for a long time.

What is ironic for me, is that while the CPC is actually shielding the West from such a nationalistic sentiment, the West wants the CPC to be destroyed

Anyway, in China the people are more easily able to differentiate between nationalism and patriotism, however the constant delusional and blatant Western lies and propaganda will eventually turn even the most hesitant person into an anti-West person ready to go in a "crusade" against the West

Overbom said:

This is a complex and a difficult thing to do. The CPC (IMO) is rightly concerned about increased nationalism. Even now, there is an increasing nationalistic sentiment, can you imagine if everyone were suddenly exposed to what the West says?..

Obviously there is patriotism, but there is also a persistent nationalistic element which the CPC has been suppressing for a long time.

What is ironic for me, is that while the CPC is actually shielding the West from such a nationalistic sentiment, the West wants the CPC to be destroyed

Anyway, in China the people are more easily able to differentiate between nationalism and patriotism, however the constant delusional and blatant Western lies and propaganda will eventually turn even the most hesitant person into an anti-West person ready to go for a crusade against the West

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Well, like I said, I don't blame the CCP's choice. Suppression of nationalism has two main effects that I can think of now:

First, it creates a more friendly environment for foriegn input, which has historically been a boon to Chinese development both economically and technologically. That era is waning and China has come of age such that its own strength is now front and center.

Secondly, people tend to be the strongest when they are selfish, or at least without heavy decision-distorting bias. A highly nationalistic person may say that he refuses to study in the toxic West and he would rather sweep the floors for his own nation than work for a foreign boss. This person, when acting selfishly (or thinking with less bias), can instead go abroad to study, earn a PhD, gain valuable work experience for high tech foreign companies, perhaps even make a fortune with his own tech company, then when he has it all, realize that what's left to have is his own pride, and return to or invest in China (probably with huge economic incentive) to boost Chinese development in his field. Street sweeper to tech champ might be an extreme example, but in general, the CCP likely realizes that China is best served by very strong Chinese people who have some remnant of patriotism rather than hardcore North Korean style nationalists.

Overbom said:

This is a complex and a difficult thing to do. The CPC (IMO) is rightly concerned about increased nationalism. Even now, there is an increasing nationalistic sentiment, can you imagine if everyone were suddenly exposed to what the West says?..

Obviously there is patriotism, but there is also a persistent nationalistic element which the CPC has been suppressing for a long time.

What is ironic for me, is that while the CPC is actually shielding the West from such a nationalistic sentiment, the West wants the CPC to be destroyed

Anyway, in China the people are more easily able to differentiate between nationalism and patriotism, however the constant delusional and blatant Western lies and propaganda will eventually turn even the most hesitant person into an anti-West person ready to go in a "crusade" against the West

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@manqiangrexue this.

Also here's a good reddit post about Socialism (or well also marxism/communism) along with patrioism/nationalism (an US angle, but has parts that are relevant/is about it in general). https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZhou/comments/qlxfhd
In short there always have been a level of patrioism/nationalism in all ML nations, which includes China (中华人民, 我国etc.). It should be something that needs to be balanced so to say (and the CPC also need to be careful about it).

Appix said:

They do not inform the audiences about international politics. Chinese media is mainly positive propaganda while omitting negative but harsh realities. We know have a hostile environment in USA, EU and Australia and Chinese population is totally ignorant about it. I do not like this behaviour of Chinese autorities one bit. Ignorant population is in my view seriously worrisome.

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And just what percentage of the Chinese population actually travels to USA, EU or Australia after the Australians turned overtly hostile?

Newsflash, but the majority of all populations are ignorant. Just check out your average American being quizzed about geography on the streets. There are countless clips.

Even those who make a conscious effort are mostly just parroting western MSM talking points without question.

Ia China shielding its population from the hostile and racism directed at China? Absolutely! And that’s a good thing.

If the Chinese general population was giving an unfiltered view of how much hate is directed at China by the Anglo sphere, the only reasonable and natural reaction is to hate them right back. That will put us all on the fast track to WWIII and maybe our own collective extinction.

Also, from a practical prospective, it is far easier to get people to hate than love. If the Chinese public is generally hostile to the west, then it would be much harder to conduct outreach and humanitarian assistance programmes, like the emergency covid assistance given to Europe.

If and when China needs to go to war with the west, all it needs to go is remove the filters and let the Chinese public see the true face and feelings of the Anglos and they will have all the public support they could ever need.

As usual, the west is spinning Chinese responsibility and self control as negative with zero regard for what it could actually mean if China actually changed what they are bitching and moaning about. Just like how they would brag about how much more aid the west gives Africa and then blow a gasket when China rolled out BRI to actually, fundamentally help the world’s poor. There are countless examples.

Confirmation that the COP26 meeting was a plannned ambush against China. Good that Xi stayed away.

The EU's top climate negotiator tells Axios he's expecting friction with China as negotiations heat up at the COP26 climate summit in Glasgow.

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What they're saying: Chinese climate envoy Xie Zhenhua fired a shot across the bow Tuesday by warning that countries pushing to amend the Paris Accord's temperature target risked "destroying consensus" and unraveling the talks.

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The big picture: Beijing is feeling the heat in Glasgow.

U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson has publicly prodded China to shift its target for peak emissions from "before 2030" to 2025.


President Biden went several steps further, scolding President Xi Jinping for skipping the summit.

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Werksman said the EU wants to keep the pressure on and is already pressing the next host, Egypt, to structure COP27 "in such a way that continues to bring pressure on China," rather than protecting its bilateral relationship with Beijing.

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Overbom said:

Confirmation that the COP26 meeting was a plannned ambush against China. Good that Xi stayed away.

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It's remarkable that we live in an age where this is considered an "ambush" now - empty blather that carries no weight.

China just needs to say that US needs to bring its energy use / co2 emission per capita down to China's level first and then China will considering talking about curbing emissions...

This is same trick that US try to get China to disarm its nukes while America has orders of magnitude more nuclear weapons per capita...

The COVID Great Reset / Build Back Better didn't work, now they are on to the next trick in the hat of telling the third world to curb emissions so the West/Anglo can keep on trucking on....

ZeEa5KPul said:

It's remarkable that we live in an age where this is considered an "ambush" now - empty blather that carries no weight.

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Yeah, it is all about the EU applying "pressure", Biden "scolding" China, Borris "publically prodded" China.

The only thing which connects the above "serious actions" is that they are all empty talk.

They only care about building a narrative instead of actually doing something in the real world

@9dashline I agree. Say to the US that for every per capita emmision they have, China willI match it

Good to see the Big Guy back.