broadsword
Brigadier
Basically, you are reaching for straws for corruption. Quite desperate. Xi must have made a mistake. Suharto and Marcos were right. Haile Selassie died in vain. Damn the people who overthrew them!
You know shit!
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Basically, you are reaching for straws for corruption. Quite desperate. Xi must have made a mistake. Suharto and Marcos were right. Haile Selassie died in vain. Damn the people who overthrew them!
You know shit!
solarz
Brigadier
Whatever, keep living in your fantasy world.
I am curious as to why you care about something like this to such an extend. I mean, in the grand scheme of things this is fairly minor. You seem to be hyping up a lot of the negatives on China's side almost without putting in the same level of attention towards the other party. I can't help but feel you put too much of the blame and work onto the Chinese side here.
Corruption is bad. Does not mean we can make a declaration and it will magically disappear.
A pragmatic view, the better question how much corruption should be tolerated to bring progress and betterment to the common people. Once most people have a better standard of living, they will progressively tolerate less corruption. That is reality and that is what it is.
All depends on the state of maturity in each society.
A pragmatic view, the better question how much corruption should be tolerated to bring progress and betterment to the common people. Once most people have a better standard of living, they will progressively tolerate less corruption. That is reality and that is what it is.
All depends on the state of maturity in each society.
broadsword
Brigadier
You are so funny.
Read what you wrote:
And you said I'm living in a fantasy world.
broadsword
Brigadier
It's all a matter of governance. How seriously they deal with corruption. Legalized corruption is almost as bad as the usual kind. I say almost because you, as a citizen, have the option of doing something, like not voting for them.
There are corruptions that can never be tolerated, regardless of the maturity of each society. In fact, most of them. If you are talking about bribing a traffic cop so that your sick mother could get to the hospital asap, you're a good son, even if you're not a good citizen.
How about bribing a safety inspector? Can bribing a mayor so that you are entitled to a parking lot be considered par for the course?
Let's talk about tenders. Installation of a new HVAC needs three tender quotations. The director or the organization in cahoot with a HVAC company asks them to submit three tenders from three different companies, with the lowest quote upped by 50%. You know what I'm going to say, so I don't need to continue.
But of course, the air is undeniably better.
I forgot, how do you find out illegal corruption by politicians? Before you blow the whistle, make sure you have your passport ready.
broadsword
Brigadier
You are so funny.
You are the one who because colonialism bred corruption, there
That's a good question. It's not minor. I like to use Argentina as an example. China is becoming a more conspicuous world investor in a fast way. The Third World is looking at China as an alternative superpower. As someone wrote here, China has to be or is a responsible superpower.
Look at our faults before we blame others. If we are part of the problem, we need to deal with ourselves first. What happens over the other side is beyond our control.
But the truth hurts some people.
It's all a matter of governance by receiving country to define the legally tolerated level of corruption before it becomes a crime. China cannot define this for them.
If part of requirement for participation in a tender is to to bring a gift to the King of Saud and as long as it is legally allowed and standard practice, then so be it to stay in the game.
Corrupt practice? YES.
Criminal? It's up to the King of Saud.
broadsword
Brigadier
Then it would make China look bad. China is not a responsible superpower, but bad in its own way. Bad in a very bad way, because the people of those countries lose out to corruption. What if after a change of government, either through revolution or the hustings, China becomes their pariah?
China is not a force for good many thought it would be.
At the largest scale, good and bad exists only within context of maximization of entropy optimization and energy flows in terms of 2nd law of thermodynamics.... pointless to conjur up analytical overlays of good vs bad and other categorical perceptive labelings and then try to semantically fit them within other social constructs of politics etc in the end you are just playing with words but already made up your mind that China bad because China bad... axiomatic indeed but these dicotomies of duality lead nowhere in the infinite regress of ivory towers
There are only the laws of physics, all else are higher order derivatives of emergent properties stemming from that 'a priori' configuration...
If there is one civilization that stands a chance of bootstrapping humankind past the great filter, its definitely China...as to whether thats good or bad is largely a subjective if not altogether irrelevant value judgement...
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