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So far I only saw this in Chinese media. And it is significant.

How so? Do you know that the relationship between Hank Paulson and Xi went all the back in Zhejiang days. I will just put it this way: Hank Paulson can visit Beijing anytime he wants and he will always get proper invitation and reception. That said, this time, I don't think he just misses his old friend, and I bet he carries some messages.
 
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Biscuits said:
Why not have Poland + the Baltics, sub Saharan Africa or Indonesia replace China's role? While we're at it, after replacing the no1, theres no need for a no2 either, they can not only replace China but US also.

India has nothing in particular going for it that the above the examples don't.
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None of those regions represent an unified state of 1.4+ billion people. India's population is expected to hit 1.8+ billion before decreasing. Nothing else in the world comes close.

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US has never allowed Chinese restoration, the restoration happened inspite of America's best efforts. More Americans died fighting China in various cold war proxy battles than America lost in any war besides the US civil war. In contrast, has India even inflicted a single casualty to the west during wartime?

If US had fought tooth and nail against India like it did against China, India would be a giant Somalia today.

US struggles to pay enough to maintain their slaves in EU. That India still grapple with the illogical questions like if US can "allow" them to become a superpower (how does a broke person "allow" another broke person to become rich???) is why India remains just a third world nation with nothing going for it than the others in this group.

The more important question for India is if China will allow them to reach developed country status...
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Predictions about what would've happened are always tricky, but I don't think you can ignore the fact that the US created the conditions for China's rise via Nixon's visit and Clinton's incorporation of China in the WTO. If neither of these acts had happened, and the US continued to maintain its embargo on China like it did in the first forty years of the PRC's existence, I don't think you can argue that China's catch up process would have been as fast.

Eventually, China would've still likely gotten there because a country of 1.4+ billion people was just too hard to ignore and even without Nixon's visit, Deng likely would've still attempted to pivot China into a market direction. But as we've seen with examples like Iran and North Korea, US sanctions especially during the height of its power could keep a country down for a long time. Simply put, if no Chinese students were allowed to study outside of China and China could not purchase any Western, Japanese, Korean, etc. technology, China would've had to reinvent much of this from scratch. That would've taken decades.
 
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Western companies have been treated unfairly in China… Oh can a Chinese EV company apply to build a factory in the West and eventually get one? Oh the West doesn’t use that as leverage to get it wants from China? Yeah the EU isn’t openly using geopolitics as a leverage against China in order for a Chinese company to operate there? The West doesn’t try to use commerce to get Chinese companies to apply pressure on the Chinese government to get what the West wants? Yes, measure how much you believe in freedom by how you believe in it for yourself and not for others. Every horrible person in the world believes in their own freedom.
 
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None of those regions represent an unified state of 1.4+ billion people. India's population is expected to hit 1.8+ billion before decreasing. Nothing else in the world comes close.

Predictions about what would've happened are always tricky, but I don't think you can ignore the fact that the US created the conditions for China's rise via Nixon's visit and Clinton's incorporation of China in the WTO. If neither of these acts had happened, and the US continued to maintain its embargo on China like it did in the first forty years of the PRC's existence, I don't think you can argue that China's catch up process would have been as fast.
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What's your point? It was a survival mechanism for US. If US had maintained the embargo, Americans would be starving like in the Great depression during dot com bubble and/or 2008.

With no affordable industrial goods, US growth would have slowed to a crawl, the USSR would be different as well, as their rivals are weaker.
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Eventually, China would've still likely gotten there because a country of 1.4+ billion people was just too hard to ignore and even without Nixon's visit, Deng likely would've still attempted to pivot China into a market direction. But as we've seen with examples like Iran and North Korea, US sanctions especially during the height of its power could keep a country down for a long time. Simply put, if no Chinese students were allowed to study outside of China
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That would mean an US with no nvidia, hell, no TSMC in China either. US electronics tech would have been on par with USSR at best, whereas in OTL, they won that race after ceasefiring with China and mutually sharing technologies/expertise.
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and China could not purchase any Western, Japanese, Korean, etc. technology, China would've had to reinvent much of this from scratch. That would've taken decades.
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Those technologies would not have advanced as far as in OTL without China's input.

The world you're talking about would have just been a more multipolar world where everyone has their own tech at home, it would be less advanced and poorer than our current bipolar world. US did it what it could with the cards that it had, and OTL is most likely a lot better for America than an alt history where they attempt to fight China to death at any cost. Which would be a world where power and tech is split alongside many different nations instead of just US-China.
 
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As much as I revel in this sort of posting that mocks India's misplaced arrogance, it's best that we temper our critiques about India's shortcomings—perceived or otherwise—since they don't really add value. They only confirm what most of us on this forum knew a long time ago.

I'm certainly guilty of sharing similar posts in the past, so I'm no saint here. But if we keep going down this path, we'll end up becoming the very people we swore not to be like: unhinged.
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If,If only these indians would NOT mention China-hatefully,negatively-in EVERY sentence,article,newscastYTvideo etc.I want to be objective but so hard with this profusion of lowest type of people/culture.
 
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iewgnem said:
The west has always struggled with symmetry of distance.
Being in range of mainland China also means yourself is in range of mainland China. (and ignoring Chinese weapons outrange theirs)
But you're a tiny island, and mainland China is the largest industrial force in human history.
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Well sure, but then again the best place to deploy those 1000km missiles IS Kyushu. Imagine them saying they would be deploying them to Hokkaido.

I don't get what the fuss is about?
 
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I already wrote what I know in the:
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Basically, I'm optimistic and think Vucic won't be overthrown anytime soon (I laid my reasons there),

But this is definitely the most serious pressure he has ever faced since coming to power 13 years ago.

These protests are 100% propelled by the West because just think about it logically; would people organically rise so much to try and replace the entire regime, anywhere else in the world, due to some random mass shootings or infrastructure failures, if they are not manipulated somehow?

Vucic is definitely not anti-West (because our economy depends on them so much), but in my opinion, he is as neutral as you can get between the West and the East, which makes him the most pro-Russian and pro-Chinese leader East of Belarus pretty much.

That's why he is such a thorn in their side, surrounded by NATO, but never yielding fully.

They see the Balkans as their exclusive Western backyard, and then you have Vucic and Serbs messing up their plans there, pursuing some strategic autonomy. This is what they don't tolerate and constantly spawn dumb protests.

They would like it more than anything in the world to overthrow the Vucic, but the problem is that the man is truly a genius at politics we are lucky to have, who is a master at navigating everything and will soon write books on how to resist Western regime changes.

Nevertheless, even if they don't manage to topple him, they can put some pressure on him in this way.

Think about what is currently happening to the Serb Republic and why they now also cause disturbances in Serbia to try and stop us from assisting the Serbs there.

This will obviously go against us, yet stupid Serbian idealists and narrow-minded ultra-nationalists still protest against Vucic.

Basically, those who protest are not pro-West, they are 20%, those who protest are the ones who think that we should somehow turn into Belarus or become a Russian external province when we are surrounded and blockaded by NATO from all sides.

But, they don't realize they are doing the Western bidding by protesting. Basically, some useful tools and retards that don't realize that Vucic is the best we can get both geopolitically and in terms of governance.

This is also the reason why the Russian government is never backing those protests, they all know of this.
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Thank you for your take.

It is then what is seem looking images of the rallies and the western reaction.

Looking videos you see plenty of orthodox symbols, Serbian flags, etc. I have not seen even one European flag.
People seem to complain against Vucic for being too pro west.

But how much coverage this is receiving in Western Europe give the impression that they are ready to use it and they want to get rid of Vucic. So the rallies are doing the work of their enemies.

I agree with your take on Vucic. He always remind me of 2000s Putin in a way. More moderate than its country and manoeuvring the best he can with the resources he has. (Putin worked with a more powerful and independent country but still had to compromise a lot those years

Serbia is the last force not submitted to the 4th Reich in the Balkan and it is totally surrounded by NATO and the EU.

If Russia end the military operation in Ukraine controlling the frontier with Hungary or at least the end of the Danube things would improve a lot for Serbia and I think that is what Vucic is betting on.

But in the current situation Serbia can be totally blockaded and starved of energy and/or food.

Serbians nationalist should understand this and work in deleting UE influence in their country instead of weakening the government.

Of course this is easy to say than to do. Many people are good hearted in intention but if you haven’t get out of your country bubble and understand international politics is easy to blame your government in any shit
 
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Well sure, but then again the best place to deploy those 1000km missiles IS Kyushu. Imagine them saying they would be deploying them to Hokkaido.

I don't get what the fuss is about?
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First of all Hokkaido is closer to China than Kyushu, lol. But ignoring that, deploying them far from China means you have missiles to redeploy and use later, deploying them close to China means you cease to have missiles after the first 30 minutes.
 
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