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Phead128

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tonyget said:
Are you trying to defend Chinese gangs？As if gangs are something to be proud of
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No, you asked if foreign gangs do kidnap, a simple google search says they do.

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You trying to insinuate only Chinese gangs do kidnapping is more reflective of your biased world view and limited Googling skills. Try to diversify your news sources, you read very biased media with a narrow view.
 
BillRamengod

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Biscuits said:
Large cartels in Myanmar/indochina do not operate on "telecom frauds", that's maybe a tiny part of their activity, the main activity by far is drugs/drug precursors.

I don't even get what you mean, isn't it the same shit as what goes on in Mexico, South America and inside US? Gangs fight over the massive drug markets, and sometimes a famous bystander with dubious connections get taken as a hostage.

Because the vast majority of triads cooperate/share intel/help keep drugs out of China for Beijing, China can't/won't purge them. Only prune them.

It is exceptionally rare some of this spills into China, but we need to remember that all of Indochina is essentially a giant shithole comparable to Mexico. Those are not safe countries to travel in.
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What is you accusation based on, pls prove it.
 
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Biscuits

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BillRamengod said:
What is you accusation based on, pls prove it.
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Back when they were based in China, the CPC went to war with them. The end result is what we see today, no/nearly no organized crime in China but plenty in SEA. And triad nearly don't send drugs or criminals to China (exceptions obviously exist since they're not unitary organizations), but at the same time remain responsible for pretty much the whole non-cocaine drug market in the world.

So it's pretty clear some agreements exist.

It is not an accusation, just stating observable facts. A wise ruler doesn't ignore bandits, but seek to work with them using both carrot and stick to ensure his realm isn't harmed. Further bonus if they can be used to disrupt hostile realms.
 
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MortyandRick

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tonyget said:
Telephone fraud or other forms of fraud are not uncommon. They exist in every country, not less than China.

But is it a characteristic of Chinese gangs that fraudulent groups deceive or kidnap? I don't think I've heard of foreign fraud involving this. If you search English news, you will find all kinds of fraud every day, but it seems that fraudulent groups are not involved in kidnapping

It stands to reason that this operation is not technically difficult. Could it be that foreign fraudulent gangs can't think of it? Was it invented by Chinese fraudulent gangs? It's unlikely

So is it that only Chinese fraudulent gangs are involved in kidnapping and abduction, and not foreign ones? If so, what is the reason?
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Is this a real post and not a joke? What the f**k are you on? Have you heard of mexican cartels? They kidnap all the time.

Hell's Angels kidnap, and they are based in US and Canada.

This type of comment really shows just how biased and racist you really are.
 
BillRamengod

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Biscuits said:
Back when they were based in China, the CPC went to war with them. The end result is what we see today, no/nearly no organized crime in China but plenty in SEA. And triad nearly don't send drugs or criminals to China (exceptions obviously exist since they're not unitary organizations), but at the same time remain responsible for pretty much the whole non-cocaine drug market in the world.

So it's pretty clear some agreements exist.

It is not an accusation, just stating observable facts. A wise ruler doesn't ignore bandits, but seek to work with them using both carrot and stick to ensure his realm isn't harmed. Further bonus if they can be used to disrupt hostile realms.
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2023 Data
  • Seizure Quantities: In 2023, Chinese police seized 20.5 tons of foreign drugs, accounting for 79.2% of the total drug seizures for the year.
  • Main Source Countries/Regions:
    • Golden Triangle (including Myanmar, Laos, and Thailand): Seized 12.3 tons of methamphetamine crystals and tablets, 1.5 tons of heroin, and 1.4 tons of opium, accounting for 85.3%, 95%, and 99% of the national totals for these drugs, respectively.
    • Mexico: Seized 0.8 tons of methamphetamine, a 24-fold increase compared to the previous year.
    • Thailand: Seized 105.3 kg of marijuana, representing 87.6% of the total foreign marijuana smuggling.
    • United States: Seized 3.6 kg of marijuana.
2022 Data
  • Seizure Quantities: In 2022, Chinese police seized 10.9 tons of foreign drugs, which constituted 92.3% of the total drug seizures for the year.
  • Main Source Countries/Regions:
    • Golden Triangle: Seized 1.29 tons of heroin, accounting for 99% of the total; seized 10.9 tons of methamphetamine, accounting for 92.3% of the total.
    • South America: Seized 176.6 kg of cocaine.
    • North America: Seized 120.1 kg of foreign marijuana, mainly from North America.
2021 Data
  • Seizure Quantities: In 2021, Chinese police seized 15.3 tons of foreign drugs, making up 88.6% of the year's total drug seizures.
  • Main Source Countries/Regions:
    • Golden Triangle (Myanmar, Laos, Thailand): Seized 1.78 tons of heroin, representing 98.8% of the total; seized 13.4 tons of methamphetamine, representing 89.3% of the total.
    • South America: Seized 690 kg of cocaine, up 18.6% year-on-year, mainly from South America.
    • North America: Seized 308.9 kg of foreign marijuana, a 4.5-fold increase year-on-year, mainly from North America.
2020 Data
  • Seizure Quantities: In 2020, China seized 22.4 tons of foreign drugs, accounting for 84.9% of the total major drug seizures for the year.
  • Main Source Countries/Regions:
    • Golden Triangle: Seized 6.3 tons of heroin and opium, making up 96.2% of the national total; seized 18.8 tons of methamphetamine and ketamine, making up 83.1% of the national total.
    • Golden Crescent (including Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan): Seized 186 kg of heroin, a 1.4-fold increase year-on-year.
    • South America: Seized 582 kg of cocaine, a 2.5-fold increase year-on-year.
    • North America: Seized 16.9 kg of marijuana, a 1.6-fold increase year-on-year.
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First, Southeast Asian countries (Golden Triangle) are the primary source of drug trafficking into China and also the main source of drugs within China. 2nd, The relatively smaller quantity compared to other regions in the world is due to China's stringent anti-drug policies rather than other factors, Certainly not some agreements by you imagine.
 
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dingyibvs said:
Their viewership started dropping a few months ago, coinciding with the Visa-free travels. IMO the influx of China travel vlogs, mostly positive and also fresh since there was almost none during Covid lockdowns, drowned out their (laowhy86, serpentza, china uncensored) drivel. I mean, if you're curious about China, would you prefer to watch a video of some white dudes reading news clippings to you from the states, or would you want to see footage of actual China from people who were just there?
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I think it's more down to algorithms. There was a time when any time I searched anything China related one of these videos popped up as a recommendation. Now I hardly see them.

I think so much has been going on in the world recently the priorities have shifted to Palestine, Ukraine etc.
 
vincent

vincent

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BillRamengod said:
First, Southeast Asian countries (Golden Triangle) are the primary source of drug trafficking into China and also the main source of drugs within China. 2nd, The relatively smaller quantity compared to other regions in the world is due to China's stringent anti-drug policies rather than other factors, Certainly not some agreements by you imagine.
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Just ignore him. He's delusional.
 
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