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Elevenz

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Eventine said:
If China has as much leverage as the US then we should not see a "global operations sales" of Tik Tok, it would make no strategic sense as the soft power gain from Tik Tok far out strips any financial compensation the US can provide in return.

The only compensation of similar value to a Tik Tok sale is turning over Taiwan and TSMC on a platter - that could be worth it to control the global hardware supply chain, in exchange for the US controlling the global software supply chain. Anything less is a steal.
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You should save your speculation for after something concrete happens rather than rumors. Look at how many rumors have been flying recently. Also, the narrative of back room deal or betrayal is dumb speculation as well because TikTok didn’t need to shutdown on the 19th as we can see from Biden admin response that they will leave implementation to Trump and calling TikTok’s antics performative. As people said on that day, it just kind of makes the Supreme Court obsolete and it still looks that way. If Beijing was planning on taking a deal they might as well have done something with Elon or just the US operations, no reason to just take a worse deal unless you really believe that Trump is the master of the deal or they obtained more leverage.
Anyways all the speculation comes from the following quotation from Mao Ning which I think people are applying way too much tea leave reading type analysis on. Like this response is specifically to a 50% jv which changes literally nothing about TikTok or bytedance. It makes sense for them to be okay with this because it changes nothing compared to what was originally being forced on them. Following Eventines current logic, do really think Chinas hand is worse than half a decade ago?
Reuters: TikTok has restored service in the US citing Trump’s efforts, but Trump has said that he wants to cut a deal that will see the US have 50 percent ownership in a joint venture. Is China open to a deal with Trump and how might such a deal look like?
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Mao Ning: TikTok has operated in the US for years and been very popular with American users. It has played a positive role in boosting US employment and consumption. We hope the US will earnestly listen to the voice of reason and provide an open, fair, just and non-discriminatory business environment for market entities from all countries. When it comes to actions such as the operation and acquisition of businesses, we believe they should be independently decided by companies in accordance with market principles. If it involves Chinese companies, China’s laws and regulations should be observed.
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Also here’s something from an infamous poster (for those who know) about this which is far more level-headed and reasonable.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1883356924001058930
 
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iewgnem

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GulfLander said:
Maybe they revived tiktok, bcoz, they felt they wont be able to regulate its global ops if tiktok US is gone.. will tiktok give in? Or just leave US?

"The Trump administration is working on a plan to save TikTok that involves tapping software company Oracle and a group of outside investors to effectively take control of the app's global operations, according to two people with direct knowledge of the talks."

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Wasnt Microsoft, once upon a time, allegedly, wanted to buy tiktok? But was rejected? Also $200M to selll the global ops?
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1883341721007972420
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You realize the entire article was about a Trump fantasizing about doing something with zero response nor interest from China.

Americans started this fantasy 5 years ago, across two presidents, got a law passed by congress to back this fantasy, got their supreme court to back the law, just to have ByteDance shut it down for 12 hours as a f* you to Biden then turn it back on as a f* you to everyone else.

If Trump want to use this fantasy to justify doing nothing China won't stop him, but let's be real here.
 
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iewgnem

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Temstar said:
Looks like reactionary elements of intelligencia have woken up to DeepSeek R1 and some of them are not taking it well:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1883330022041424011
"Ban open source software to China"
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I don't know what's funnier, the fact that this guy doesn't know Deepseek is the one doing the open-sourcing, or the fact that he wants to cut Americans off from global open-source.
 
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Biscuits

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Eventine said:
If this "global operations sale" goes through, it should force a reevaluation in this community of how strong Beijing believes its hand actually is. The only way I can see Beijing cave to this degree is if it believes the US has a "kill switch" on the Chinese economy or at least Chinese consumer software (which, to be fair, it does in the form of a global App. Store ban - 99% of the world outside of China still use Android or Apple), such that there is no choice but to do a face saving "sale".

I agree that $200 billion is no where close to the strategic compensation you'd want to surrender Tik Tok, especially since the sanctions on high-end chips & GPUs aren't going away.
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And so what if this "sale" which has zero indication from anyone (not even famously loud Trump) but only some nameless state department mouthpiece journalists DOESN'T come through???

You wanna make those insane claims like kill switch this, Beijing weak hand that, then what do you say when the reverse proves true as always?

If:

1. Tiktok maintains extraterritorial rights until Trump back tracks the law

2. US fails to meaningfully retaliate over having its AI sector caved in by Bytedance and Deepseek

Then you better hold up to your words and assume revaluation of how strong the US along with admitting China's supreme kill switch over US.

Tired of people falling for the same feeble state department lies over and over. If even Trump or Musk doesn't say a sale is being considered, it is bottom level evidence!
 
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iewgnem

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Eventine said:
If this "global operations sale" goes through, it should force a reevaluation in this community of how strong Beijing believes its hand actually is. The only way I can see Beijing cave to this degree is if it believes the US has a "kill switch" on the Chinese economy or at least Chinese consumer software (which, to be fair, it does in the form of a global App. Store ban - 99% of the world outside of China still use Android or Apple), such that there is no choice but to do a face saving "sale".

I agree that $200 billion is no where close to the strategic compensation you'd want to surrender Tik Tok, especially since the sanctions on high-end chips & GPUs aren't going away.
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The entire world just evaluated Beijing's hand last week when ByteDance demonstrated they dont' give a f* about US operations, or US laws for that matter, and the entire US government across two presidents both capitulated, completely....

As for Apple, you realize China literally has a kill switch over their entire hardware business via direct physical blockade of their supply chain.... same goes for Elon's Tesla, same goes for every other US company, same goes for even Raytheon whose CEO explicitly said its "impossible" to decouple.
 
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ismellcopium

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GZDRefugee said:
Someone hit him with the "this you?" line with a screenshot of the Chinese SC industry overnight annihilation.
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Was just about to say I don't know how this subhuman retard still finds the nerve to even show his face on Twitter let alone critique other people's takes.

The westoid world truly is awful at holding these worthless pundits to account for the past crap they've spewed which already exposed them as devoid of all credibility.
 
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iewgnem

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GZDRefugee said:
Someone hit him with the "this you?" line with a screenshot of the Chinese SC industry overnight annihilation.
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His cope seem to be converging on "open source will make hardware matter even more"*
* so long as China keep on providing open source models after destroying American closed-source and so long as China alway open-source the latest models
 
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