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zyklon

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RedBaron said:
For that to happen, one of German mainstream parties would need to break away from the decades long tradition/unspoken agreement not to collaborate with the extreme right* which is unlikely to happen.
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The 2016 US presidential election wasn't the first time Donald Trump ran for president, but his first successful run after two failed primary campaigns in 2000 and 2012.

Just about no one -- at least none of the mainstream authorities -- expected Trump to be elected president, ever, in 2012. I know I didn't. However, Trump was elected four years later.

The world is experiencing the sort of changes unseen since at least the end of the Cold War, if not World War II. Germany has certainly not been left unaffected.

I understand why you may dislike the notion of an AfD led government, but such a scenario should not be considered implausible at this juncture in history, especially should the German economy continue to struggle.

Hard times and disaffected peoples are what (alleged) political extremists grow on.

RedBaron said:
*That is not my classification of AfD but that's how they are viewed in Germany.
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The NSDAP is banned in Germany.

If the AfD is indeed the NSDAP, then its members would not be allowed to be seated in the Bundestag.

Until that happens, the AfD are Nazis in the eyes of their many European criticis just as Trump is a fascist from the lens of his many American enemies.
 
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zyklon said:
Depending on:

i. how the war in Ukraine plays out,
ii. how antagonistic Mr. Trump gets with Europe, and
iii. the outcome of upcoming German elections,

. . . there's a not insignificant chance that certain NATO countries, in particular the ones situated in Southern Europe, and maybe even Germany and France, will be reducing the scope, if not resetting the status of their NATO memberships.





Not sure if a VPN service will suffice, assuming the US government even bothers to null route all of TikTok's IP addresses.

The problem is once TikTok is legally banned for US users, US advertisers won't be able to advertise to US users on TikTok either. US advertisers can try, but no major advertiser will try because they know doing so will earn them the wrath of Congress or even federal prosecutors.

We can't expect TikTok to entertain US based users for free, can we?!
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"I want it, I don't want that", why not they just say "feed me"? Maybe just cut them off, I heard tiktok is doing well in Indonesia.
 
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RedBaron

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zyklon said:
The 2016 US presidential election wasn't the first time Donald Trump ran for president, but his first successful run after two failed primary campaigns in 2000 and 2012.

Just about no one -- at least none of the mainstream authorities -- expected Trump to be elected president, ever, in 2012. I know I didn't. However, Trump was elected four years later.
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I don't know why you are bringing this up. US and Germany have different political and electoral systems. Completely misplaced comparison.

zyklon said:
Until that happens, the AfD are Nazis in the eyes of their many European criticis
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They are nazis/extreme right in the eyes of CDU, SPD, Greens, BSW ... whose support they need if they want to govern Germany.

For the third time, AfD's coalition potential is nonexistent. They could even end up as relative winners sometime in the future, but they still won't be able to govern Germany because all of the relevant political parties in Germany are determined to keep them out of power.

AfD led government could become reality in only two scenarios: a) one of the mainstream parties breaks away from the decaded long tradition to not collaborate with the extreme right and b) AfD wins absolute majority.

Both scenarios are unlikely.
 
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RedBaron said:
I don't know why you are bringing this up. US and Germany have different political and electoral systems. Completely misplaced comparison.


They are nazis/extreme right in the eyes of CDU, SPD, Greens, BSW ... whose support they need if they want to govern Germany.

For the third time, AfD's coalition potential is nonexistent. They could even end up as relative winners sometime in the future, but they still won't be able to govern Germany because all of the relevant political parties in Germany are determined to keep them out of power.

AfD led government could become reality in only two scenarios: a) one of the mainstream parties breaks away from the decaded long tradition to not collaborate with the extreme right and b) AfD wins absolute majority.

Both scenarios are unlikely.
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I literally posted the election history of the Nazi party, if you know anything about history and how they got into power you wouldn't be repeating your arguments for the third time now. Most of the current German parties are actually closely related to their respective parties back in the 1930s.
 
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RedBaron

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I literally posted the election history of the Nazi party, if you know anything about history and how they got into power you wouldn't be repeating your arguments for the third time now. Most of the current German parties are actually closely related to their respective parties back in the 1930s.
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Evidently I need to repeat them since some are struggling to comprehend how coalition building in a parliamentary democracy works. What you posted is immaterial.
 
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zyklon

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RedBaron said:
I don't know why you are bringing this up. US and Germany have different political and electoral systems. Completely misplaced comparison.
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Have you noticed that the AfD has gotten bigger and more popular in recent years?

Has it occurred to you that the AfD may get even more popular and won more seats in the Bundestag in years to come?

Whether you like the AfD or not, you cannot deny that analogous allegedly extremist and/or formerly fringe parties and candidates have grown in popularity across the West in recent years.

There's a trend here, my man . . .

RedBaron said:
AfD led government could become reality in only two scenarios: a) one of the mainstream parties breaks away from the decaded long tradition to not collaborate with the extreme right and b) AfD wins absolute majority.

Both scenarios are unlikely.
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If you are able to recognize and willing to consider such scenarios, then even if you consider these scenarios unlikely, they were nonetheless still plausible enough for you to think of!

Some of us might just consider these scenarios more plausible than others. Might just have to be something for us to agree to disagree on.

coolgod said:
I literally posted the election history of the Nazi party, if you know anything about history and how they got into power you wouldn't be repeating your arguments for the third time now. Most of the current German parties are actually closely related to their respective parties back in the 1930s.
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Some people just don't want to see what they refuse to believe to be true.
 
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