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Biscuits

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The problem is that this is a very outdated model because essentially the current world is not about the constant scramble for resources, slaves, soldiers, and tribute, but about technology and intelligence and being exceptional from within.

For example, China adds one entire Australian GDP internally yearly, without any risks associated with conquest, and their own citizens get a corresponding rise in real wages since they are the only contributors to that rise of productivity within.

Also, the Roman Empire massively expanded territory mostly when they were still a young and healthy empire, in the early stages, not when they were terminally ill like the US today. Imagine justifying all that conquest when you have record homelessness, record inter-racial tensions, deepest political polarization, etc. It will only backfire, whatever you do. What realistically can happen is that the US gets bogged down in Mexico, and Panama, and then they still also decide to attack China, but in a worse position than before, because of their envy and fear. If you didn't observe this already, that's shame on you, the weaker the US gets the more they are hostile against China.
The thing is that all those territories are already "US" in the same way as Hong Kong is China. Marching in with soldiers and planting more American flags there is not expanding the US empire, it's at most consolidating and reshuffling offices within the same country.

That doesn't mean China shouldn't maximally extract value from the internal US conflict, encourage independence from US and make these areas into quagmires. And especially Mexico with all those insane cartels in there are just waiting to be used to make life unpleasant in the US core home areas.
 

tygyg1111

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Won't happen. Thank goodness for the Xizang Plateau and the Himalayas.

Also, didn't the US say that they would even resort to nukes in order to stop China from getting Jai Hind immigrants?
China: "there appear to be millions, no billions of talented, honest and high achieving, high caste Indians preparing to emigrate to China. Their locations are New Delhi, Mumbai and other highly populated Indian cities..." <peeks around notes towards the US>
 

Serb

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The thing is that all those territories are already "US" in the same way as Hong Kong is China. Marching in with soldiers and planting more American flags there is not expanding the US empire, it's at most consolidating and reshuffling offices within the same country.

That doesn't mean China shouldn't maximally extract value from the internal US conflict, encourage independence from US and make these areas into quagmires. And especially Mexico with all those insane cartels in there are just waiting to be used to make life unpleasant in the US core home areas.

Yeah, but this is not only about how little the resources were spent on those acquisitions, but also about the loss of focus too.

Imagine instead of brainstorming and working toward coercing Canada to formally join the US, coercing Denmark to sell Greenland, and planning to launch an attack on Panama and Mexican cartels, the next US presidency actually focused on what's 1000 times more important and salvaging something domestically first.

However, their bullshit political system is only about what sounds good, not what's actually best. That's why it never had any future to begin with and it was only about luck and fate that they have come so far.

What's the point of incorporating Canada and Greenland, looking large on the map, and then fragmenting in 3 years for example in civil wars?

I have seen no PLANS from Trump yet to take on the corrupt MIC, cancerous media, coerce oligarchs on how to ACTUALLY move manufacturing back, reform the social and pension system, how to build infrastructure, how to educate more engineers, etc, but I have seen him talk about BS.

I have seen him talking about Greenland, large borders, and megalomania only. The opportunity cost is huge even if actual is not.
 
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ansy1968

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I have seen him talking about Greenland, large borders, and megalomania only.
Well my friend, from the looks of things this can be achieved during his 4 years term and established his legacy as mentioned by @zyklon than taking on the establishment and deep state that may hinder and undermined his policy, in fact it maybe a uniting factor for the Americans to rally and unite under the flag, both the Democrats and Republican making him the greatest US president of all time. ;)

The American way of thinking, Why make things difficult for you when you can have it in a silver platter, the reason why they hate math and Geography and why the Chinese like to eat bitterness....lol
 
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Serb

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Well my friend, from the looks of things this can be achieved during his 4 years term and established his legacy as mentioned by @zyklon than taking on the establishment and deep state that may hinder and undermined his policy, in fact it maybe a uniting factor for the Americans to rally and unite under the flag, both the Democrats and Republican making him the greatest US president of all time. ;)

Yeah, until they collapse in 1, 2, or 3 years, due to the total inner decay, civil war, and then he becomes the worst president of all time lmao. :D

36 trillion dollar bankrupt country, with accelerating interest payments, going more into debt, to buy some random territory, presenting it as a victory. That's like a 36k beggar on the street, who has no job, income, or home, go even more in debt to buy some luxury watch for image.
 
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zyklon

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The thing is that all those territories are already "US" in the same way as Hong Kong is China. Marching in with soldiers and planting more American flags there is not expanding the US empire, it's at most consolidating and reshuffling offices within the same country.

That's a reasonable statement, but if America is serious about maintaining its current position in the world, it might be better off making certain former British colonies de jure American states or territories.

Otherwise, there's no guarantee they'll fight for Uncle Sam should the day come, especially should local demographics and attachments become "less American" in the coming years.

That doesn't mean China shouldn't maximally extract value from the internal US conflict, encourage independence from US and make these areas into quagmires.

Maybe it's better for China to live and let live, especially if the US is willing back off on issues like Taiwan?

There's no need for conflict if collaboration is achievable.

What's the point of incorporating Canada and Greenland, looking large on the map, and then fragmenting in 3 years for example in civil wars?

I have seen no PLANS from Trump yet to take on the corrupt MIC, cancerous media, coerce oligarchs on how to move manufacturing back, reform the social and pension system, how to build infrastructure, how to educate more engineers, etc, but I have seen him talk about BS.

Purchasing Greenland from Denmark is reasonably achievable within the next four years, and its acquisition will be something that Mr Trump and his supporters will be able to hype up or at least take pride in for decades to come.

The other problem sets you highlighted are all quite relevant to the future of the United States, but far more difficult to resolve in any meaningful way and anytime soon given the polarized state of domestic American politics.

Moreover, Trump is obsessed about presenting himself as a winner!

So why even try to fix things that (probably) can't be fixed, especially if it might make you look like a loser?
 
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siegecrossbow

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Guilty.

ECE grad here from Duke.
Staff software engineer.

Virgin reddit soyboys: Wumaos are uneducated dummies who fall for SeeSeePee propaganda and only make 50 cents per propaganda post.

CHAD SDF Wumao: hold my Duke ECE degree while I decide between two 350K+ job offers. And don’t lose your call center position to outsourcing while you are at it!
 

plawolf

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Not that I advocate for sending J-36 multirole stealth fighter to Greenland, but this seems a bit too Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. On reflecting on Trump's imperial ambitions I think we should reframe from drawing parallels. China legitimately have claim on Taiwan due to unsettled civil war, what claim does US have on Canada or Greenland or Panama Canal? What the War of 1812 is an unsettled matter and they are resuming hostility?

If I was Russian I would definitely draw parallels though re Crimea and Donbass and advocate for Trump to kick off a SVO.

China will be gleefully rubbing its hands and hoping Comrade Trump actually follows through on all these international land grabs.

Not only will be weaken the U.S. vassals’ loyalty, but far more advantageously, it gives America those extra territories it can cede to China if it unwisely inserts itself into China’s civil war and looses. It will, after all, be far easier and less damaging for America to give yo Greenland and chunks of Panama and Canada than long held and populated America territory like Hawaii or Alaska.

But obviously that won’t stop China from trolling Trump in the meantime and offer to sell Denmark, Mexico and Panama weapons and drones for legitimate self defence if their people have the actual balls to fight for what is theirs. If they won’t fight American invasion, then they shouldn’t mind living under Chinese rule later either.
 
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