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tygyg1111

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2003-2008: 100% of Ukraine was pro west, invading Iraq alongside NATO, had population of 50 million and was already applying to NATO.

2024: 83% of Ukrainian territory remains, it is highly unlikely to project power like it could in 2003, it has population <35 million, is now the poorest country in Europe, and it is still applying to NATO.

But according to you, Ukraine is winning.

It is a very unusual definition of winning when Ukraine can no longer project power like it could 20 years ago, lost 1/3 of its population to displacement or conquest, and diplomatically has not improved even 1% since 2008.
But quim reads this as:
- I win 35M pop, you win 15M, therefore, I win
- I was applying 21 years ago, and still have not stopped applying today; I am still getting my way, therefore, I win
- I have 2/3 of my population, you have 1/3 of my population, therefore, I win
- Diplomatically I am still within 99% of my state in 2008, therefor....
 

FairAndUnbiased

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EU leaders set to avoid direct accusation over Chinese role in Russia’s war in Ukraine​

A draft statement suggests leaders from the bloc’s 27 members will not accuse Beijing of crossing a major red line​


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EU Set to Exclude China From Condemnation of Russia’s Supporters​

  • Leaders plan to criticize North Korea, Iran for helping Moscow
  • EU sanctioned several Chinese firms for Russian military deals




What happened to muh Chinese drones?

This is a major defeat. EU can't even verbally criticize China on Ukraine but since a few Winnie the Poih memes are posted it means total failure of Chinese diplomacy.
 

quim

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But quim reads this as:
- I win 35M pop, you win 15M, therefore, I win
- I was applying 21 years ago, and still have not stopped applying today; I am still getting my way, therefore, I win
- I have 2/3 of my population, you have 1/3 of my population, therefore, I win
- Diplomatically I am still within 99% of my state in 2008, therefor....
But this is actually a victory for the new Ukrainian regime.

Before, Ukraine as a country was just an artificial creation of Soviet land donations to a weak puppet regime.

Now, the new Polish Jewish regime dominates most of the land while Russia is struggling to reclaim lands in the Donbas that had been Russian for centuries.

This new Ukrainian regime is also getting recognition and weapons from NATO, while Russia fails to prevent this. This is far from being a Russian victory. It's more like a trap.
 

quim

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This is a major defeat. EU can't even verbally criticize China on Ukraine but since a few Winnie the Poih memes are posted it means total failure of Chinese diplomacy.
Or it means that China's role is not the same as that of Iran and North Korea.

If the EU has to criticize China, it would have to criticize India and even Japan too, since only buying oil and selling car parts is all that China officially does.

While Iran and North Korea are officially sending weapons and soldiers.
 
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Biscuits

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Or it means that China's role is not the same as that of Iran and North Korea.

If the EU has to criticize China, it would have to criticize India and even Japan too, since only buying oil and selling car parts is all that China officially does.

While Iran and North Korea are officially sending weapons and soldiers.
The EU is not ready to take on China despite China officially funding essentially most of Russia's war effort and acting as their industrial arm.

It's tragic that EU has seemingly lost all forms of ability to fight back, both against US and China, but even "little" (economically speaking) Russia.

The whole organization is a lesson on severe mismanagement and cowardice.
 

Moonscape

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The EU is not ready to take on China despite China officially funding essentially most of Russia's war effort and acting as their industrial arm.

It's tragic that EU has seemingly lost all forms of ability to fight back, both against US and China, but even "little" (economically speaking) Russia.

The whole organization is a lesson on severe mismanagement and cowardice.

Russia is the tank on the front line.
Iran/North Korea are the mages on the side casting magic missile.
China is the healer in the back.

It's usually hard to get at the healer.
 

quim

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The EU is not ready to take on China despite China officially funding essentially most of Russia's war effort and acting as their industrial arm.

It's tragic that EU has seemingly lost all forms of ability to fight back, both against US and China, but even "little" (economically speaking) Russia.

The whole organization is a lesson on severe mismanagement and cowardice.
About EU you are right. Europe went through many years of complacency and progressive ideological craziness that destroyed the old European fury in wars and economic relevance. They really believed in the nonsense of the end of history after the fall of the USSR. Lol

But today, with Russia scaring them again and with Trump's pressure on Europe to rearm and defend their own territory alone, this panorama could change radically.

There is no end of the history.

In the same way that I said that Russia would initially withstand the sanctions because of the invasion of Ukraine due to the economic reforms that Putin has made since 2014, some European countries can also change course and become economically stronger based on this new configuration of the world.

A rearmed Europe will also return to being a continent full of disputes and competition in the future, serving to break out other internal and external wars and revive old enmities and alliances between countries.
 
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iewgnem

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EU leaders set to avoid direct accusation over Chinese role in Russia’s war in Ukraine​

A draft statement suggests leaders from the bloc’s 27 members will not accuse Beijing of crossing a major red line​


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EU Set to Exclude China From Condemnation of Russia’s Supporters​

  • Leaders plan to criticize North Korea, Iran for helping Moscow
  • EU sanctioned several Chinese firms for Russian military deals




What happened to muh Chinese drones?
I see a dozen NATO armour getting blown up by Chinese drones every week for the last 2 years...
And probably >10k NATO "volunteers" killed by Chinese weapons.
And they don't even have the balls to acknowledge it's happening....
 
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