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quim said:

False comparison, because at that same time Russia and Putin were also NATO aligned.

Putin himself also said he was interested in joining NATO:

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Things actually only changed in 2008, after the issues in Georgia.

But until 2014 the territory of Ukraine was still governed by pro-Russian governments. Russia used Ukrainian engines, inputs and the majority of the population of eastern Ukraine has always been Russian and pro-Russian.

Not admitting the loss of Russia's influence in this area is just trying to hide the truth.

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why follow Putin statements. Putin also said he attacked Ukraine because he was bored. you still not getting that he has deep contempt for alot of people including Russians. if Ukraine was governed by pro Russia before 2014 than what was Russia actual investments in that country?. that was time when Kadyrov said his wealth is given directly by Allah. meaning it is not humanly possible to earn it on earth. that FIFA/Olympics small potato. i already gave you link that 80% of private business registered in occupied Ukraine is from southern Russia. here is another link deputy chairman of Russian government (a Federal official) is looking after city of Mariupol and you can see his credentials.

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It's becoming a good tradition to photograph the night panorama of Mariupol!

Every month I see how the city changes and becomes better and better!

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Quite recently, we celebrated the 1100th anniversary of the adoption of Islam by Volga Bulgaria. At that time, I headed the organizing committee of the celebration. We developed a large plan of events and celebrated this date widely at the highest level.

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when Putin said Grozny is super city he was answering to a chechen journalist that has golden beared. study some Soft Power than you will understand reality.

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Putin called Grozny a supercity and a miracle of modern Russia​

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manqiangrexue said:

We do argue that such a thing in which Russia annexes a large percentage of Ukraine into itself can be considered any kind of stalemate.

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That annexation would be just a consolation prize in the face of defeat or stalemate.

If Ukraine remains a sovereign country and a NATO ally, Russia fails in most of its objectives. And Ukraine wins in most of its objectives.

manqiangrexue said:

It's excellent for Russia in every way. More territory, smaller hostile Ukraine, China-oriented economy, renewed and refined military

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No, because there will be more NATO troops on the border and more threats, everything Putin wanted to avoid with the war. And another war is possible in the future.

All of this could also have the opposite effect to what you expect, causing the West to correct its flaws and be able to contain both China and Russia more effectively, since the advantage still lies with the West.

manqiangrexue said:

Even if it were a stalemate, it would be equally terrible for Ukraine/NATO. That is the definition of a stalemate.

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This is obvious, but as the West is richer and has the historical advantage, it is worse for Russia.

Biscuits said:

Yes, the goal is to first take out the weaker areas of NATO like EU.

US military empire is much like the old Qing, not an unified empire but a network of warlords. US doesn't have direct control over say SK, Germany or Turkey, only a degree of influence. Although the territory of the US empire is large, this decentralised structure makes the empire weaker than if it could be unified...

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Or it could be the other way around and NATO could first exhaust Russia and then focus on encircling China.

quim said:

Or it could be the other way around and NATO could first exhaust Russia and then focus on encircling China.

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Have you seen NATO leaders? Look at the likes of Scholz, Yoon or Trump, even the "aggressive" Netanyahu that cannot even properly capture a few 1000 km2 of territory.

The ability to coordinate within the empire has reached an abysmal level, this is readily seen in the Ukraine war which despite EU supposedly having much greater economy than Russia cannot stop Russia from acting at it pleases.

The west has lost its teeth and it has not proven in any way that it has regained in the last few years... The only hawks willing to fight are objectively low quality individuals like Baerbock, whatever that Finnish leader is called and Yoon. The higher quality leaders like Elon Musk and Netanyahu appease and accommodate China out of fear, they cannot even properly criticise Russia, which is assaulting them in broad daylight...

Biscuits said:

Have you seen NATO leaders? Look at the likes of Scholz, Yoon or Trump, even the "aggressive" Netanyahu that cannot even properly capture a few 1000 km2 of territory.

The ability to coordinate within the empire has reached an abysmal level, this is readily seen in the Ukraine war which despite EU supposedly having much greater economy than Russia cannot stop Russia from acting at it pleases.

The west has lost its teeth and it has not proven in any way that it has regained in the last few years... The only hawks willing to fight are objectively low quality individuals like Baerbock, whatever that Finnish leader is called and Yoon. The higher quality leaders like Elon Musk and Netanyahu appease and accommodate China out of fear, they cannot even properly criticise Russia, which is assaulting them in broad daylight...

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Most Western "leaders" are just puppets who can be fired if they don't please enough. But the ones who really have control are the military and the big industrial corporations. And these guys are not as naive or unprepared as you think.

gpt said:

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new narrative is going to be : Russia and China should be afraid of the friendly fire incident because "it shows we can shoot down maneuvering aircraft"
They can spin anything as a positive

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So we are supposed to be scared...when you fuck up?Reminds me of a wargame I played as a young man with friends one of which made a crazy move by threatening to nuke himself if we didn't capitulate-is this what USA has been reduced to??

EU leaders set to avoid direct accusation over Chinese role in Russia’s war in Ukraine​

A draft statement suggests leaders from the bloc’s 27 members will not accuse Beijing of crossing a major red line​

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EU Set to Exclude China From Condemnation of Russia’s Supporters​

• Leaders plan to criticize North Korea, Iran for helping Moscow
• EU sanctioned several Chinese firms for Russian military deals

European Union leaders are set to avoid directly calling out China for its support of Russia’s war against Ukraine, according to a draft statement they plan to adopt at a summit in Brussels this week.

The statement, which could still change before leaders endorse it Thursday, “strongly condemns” Iran and North Korea for supporting Russia’s war, providing weapons to Moscow, and in Pyongyang’s case, troops, according to a draft seen by Bloomberg.

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Several EU states had pushed to include China in the condemnation and could raise the omission at the summit, according to people familiar with the discussions who were granted anonymity to discuss sensitive topics.

One of the people said Ukraine had asked the EU not to put China on the same level as Iran and North Korea. But a Ukrainian official denied that, saying Kyiv didn’t make such a request.

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What happened to muh Chinese drones?

While they're at it, the US under Trump Administration 2.0 should also pull out of the IMF and World Bank.

FairAndUnbiased said:

2003-2008: 100% of Ukraine was pro west, invading Iraq alongside NATO, had population of 50 million and was already applying to NATO.

2024: 83% of Ukrainian territory remains, it is highly unlikely to project power like it could in 2003, it has population <35 million, is now the poorest country in Europe, and it is still applying to NATO.

But according to you, Ukraine is winning.

It is a very unusual definition of winning when Ukraine can no longer project power like it could 20 years ago, lost 1/3 of its population to displacement or conquest, and diplomatically has not improved even 1% since 2008.

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But quim reads this as:
- I win 35M pop, you win 15M, therefore, I win
- I was applying 21 years ago, and still have not stopped applying today; I am still getting my way, therefore, I win
- I have 2/3 of my population, you have 1/3 of my population, therefore, I win
- Diplomatically I am still within 99% of my state in 2008, therefor....

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EU leaders set to avoid direct accusation over Chinese role in Russia’s war in Ukraine​

A draft statement suggests leaders from the bloc’s 27 members will not accuse Beijing of crossing a major red line​

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EU Set to Exclude China From Condemnation of Russia’s Supporters​

• Leaders plan to criticize North Korea, Iran for helping Moscow
• EU sanctioned several Chinese firms for Russian military deals

What happened to muh Chinese drones?

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This is a major defeat. EU can't even verbally criticize China on Ukraine but since a few Winnie the Poih memes are posted it means total failure of Chinese diplomacy.

tygyg1111 said:

But quim reads this as:
- I win 35M pop, you win 15M, therefore, I win
- I was applying 21 years ago, and still have not stopped applying today; I am still getting my way, therefore, I win
- I have 2/3 of my population, you have 1/3 of my population, therefore, I win
- Diplomatically I am still within 99% of my state in 2008, therefor....

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But this is actually a victory for the new Ukrainian regime.

Before, Ukraine as a country was just an artificial creation of Soviet land donations to a weak puppet regime.

Now, the new Polish Jewish regime dominates most of the land while Russia is struggling to reclaim lands in the Donbas that had been Russian for centuries.

This new Ukrainian regime is also getting recognition and weapons from NATO, while Russia fails to prevent this. This is far from being a Russian victory. It's more like a trap.