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Just capturing a small territory is not the same as winning a war. You have to be really stupid to think that.
Winning a war is defeating the enemy and achieving all published goals.
So you are just changing the goalpost.
South Korea increased its territory by almost 4% in the Korean War, and even then the result was a stalemate.
At the moment, Russia has not managed to increase its territory by even 1% while continuing in a net loss in Ukraine for NATO and you call it a victory. Lol
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manqiangrexue
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What is the definition of small? You seem to put "small" in front of any number you wish was small. Nobody in Ukraine seems to think it's small and unworthy of contesting.
You have to be really desperate to keep up with the weak ad hominems despite everyone telling you you're wrong.
So once again, by this definition, you could achieve 9/10 things and it would still be a "stalemate." That is a definition that was made up by you after you previously claimed that the side that wins more wins.
That's not a goalpost that I set; that's one that you set and nobody else agreed with.
They're supposed to be 1 country. Both North and South Korea claim to be one country. Has anyone claimed that Ukraine and Russia are one country? Not yet LOL
Russia's up 18% and gaining. What's with the 1%, <4% comparisons?
This is yet another definition that you made up but didn't think through. So now the victory is measured by the size of the land gained compared to the invading country? So basically it's not possible for an extremely large country to win against an extremely small country because even direct absorption would constitute a minor percentage in territorial gain for the larger country, right?
This is opposite of what you've been claiming.
We all do. Everyone except you. The person who wants to judge the debate he participates in LOL
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Whoever achieves the most goals wins, that's obvious.
Just capturing some territory, as you stupidly say, is not enough for a victory.
A Russian victory would only be possible if the whole of Ukraine were disarmed and kept away from NATO. Without this, there would be no victory in sight for Russia.
Who are "everyone"? A dozen users of this forum? Is this your world parameter? Lol
Just keep that thought. You will never recognize the faults on your side and you will just lose and complain along with the losers of the cold war forever at this rate.
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manqiangrexue
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What about extra goals? I set out to kill a dictator. He fled. I annexed his entire country into mine. So... I lost?
1. But everybody else says it is too.
2. You think we're stupid; we all think you're stupid. One person thinks everyone is crazy; everyone thinks one person is crazy. Only the 1 crazy person doesn't get it.
3. Why did you complain so much about how bad ad hominems were before? It's funny to see how desperation can turn someone against himself...
That would be a total Russian victory of the stated objectives. But it's still not as much a victory as annexing Ukraine into Russia which would be extra credit... So annexing part of Ukraine into Russia would lie somewhere on the spectrum depending on how much of it is annexed.
Yeah, everyone I see here. The debate stage is this forum, which you chose. If you think we're no good, you can leave. Or do you want me to acknowledge legions of imaginary "world" people who agree with you? Even so, if you wanted to debate on a world stage, you can set one up and invite me.
I just said that 2014 was a diplomatic defeat for Russia. So... it seems you have poor memory as well in addition to the other things.
new narrative is going to be : Russia and China should be afraid of the friendly fire incident because "it shows we can shoot down maneuvering aircraft"
They can spin anything as a positive
You don't even know what a victory or defeat is, so you just change the subject to disguise it.
I made my prediction, and I'm going to be right.
The war will end in a stalemate.
And that's terrible for Russia.
But you can continue here just complaining and creating narratives about self-help and coping with the tiny Donbas territorial "victory". Lol
Just seeing a lot of desparate hoping but no real action. Wars are extension of economy and industry contests, the moment EU showed it can't do anything about Russia's economy, they were in a severe disadvantage.
The reality on the ground regardless if you like it or not is that Russia has become one of the most rapidly expanding states in the world, adding more than 5 Israels worth of territory to itself in just 2 years...
This level of resentment by you because you seemingly have something personal against Russia is just quite sad, you'll live longer if you learn to let go and accept what's happening, or maybe take a break.
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I thought Christmas is banned in China like Winnie the Pooh? What’s going on here?