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manqiangrexue · 2024-12-22T05:37:29-0500

quim said:
Just capturing a small territory is not the same as winning a war.

What is the definition of small? You seem to put "small" in front of any number you wish was small. Nobody in Ukraine seems to think it's small and unworthy of contesting.

quim said:
You have to be really stupid to think that.

You have to be really desperate to keep up with the weak ad hominems despite everyone telling you you're wrong.

quim said:
Winning a war is defeating the enemy and achieving all published goals.

So once again, by this definition, you could achieve 9/10 things and it would still be a "stalemate." That is a definition that was made up by you after you previously claimed that the side that wins more wins.

quim said:
So you are just changing the goalpost.

That's not a goalpost that I set; that's one that you set and nobody else agreed with.

quim said:
South Korea increased its territory by almost 4% in the Korean War, and even then the result was a stalemate.

They're supposed to be 1 country. Both North and South Korea claim to be one country. Has anyone claimed that Ukraine and Russia are one country? Not yet LOL

Russia's up 18% and gaining. What's with the 1%, <4% comparisons?

quim said:
At the moment, Russia has not managed to increase its territory by even 1%

This is yet another definition that you made up but didn't think through. So now the victory is measured by the size of the land gained compared to the invading country? So basically it's not possible for an extremely large country to win against an extremely small country because even direct absorption would constitute a minor percentage in territorial gain for the larger country, right?

quim said:
while continuing in a net loss in Ukraine for NATO

This is opposite of what you've been claiming.

quim said:
and you call it a victory. Lol

We all do. Everyone except you. The person who wants to judge the debate he participates in LOL

quim · 2024-12-22T06:00:51-0500

manqiangrexue said:
So once again, by this definition, you could achieve 9/10 things and it would still be a "stalemate." That is a definition that was made up by you after you previously claimed that the side that wins more wins.

Whoever achieves the most goals wins, that's obvious.

Just capturing some territory, as you stupidly say, is not enough for a victory.

A Russian victory would only be possible if the whole of Ukraine were disarmed and kept away from NATO. Without this, there would be no victory in sight for Russia.

manqiangrexue said:
We all do. Everyone except you. The person who wants to judge the debate he participates in LOL

Who are "everyone"? A dozen users of this forum? Is this your world parameter? Lol

Just keep that thought. You will never recognize the faults on your side and you will just lose and complain along with the losers of the cold war forever at this rate.

manqiangrexue · 2024-12-22T06:08:53-0500

quim said:
Whoever achieves the most goals wins, that's obvious.

What about extra goals? I set out to kill a dictator. He fled. I annexed his entire country into mine. So... I lost?

quim said:
Just capturing some territory, as you stupidly say, is not enough for a victory.

1. But everybody else says it is too.
2. You think we're stupid; we all think you're stupid. One person thinks everyone is crazy; everyone thinks one person is crazy. Only the 1 crazy person doesn't get it.
3. Why did you complain so much about how bad ad hominems were before? It's funny to see how desperation can turn someone against himself...

quim said:
A Russian victory would only be possible if whole Ukraine was disarmed and removed from NATO alliance. Without that, there would be no victory in sight.

That would be a total Russian victory of the stated objectives. But it's still not as much a victory as annexing Ukraine into Russia which would be extra credit... So annexing part of Ukraine into Russia would lie somewhere on the spectrum depending on how much of it is annexed.

quim said:
Who are "everyone"? A dozen users of this forum? Is this your world parameter? Lol

Yeah, everyone I see here. The debate stage is this forum, which you chose. If you think we're no good, you can leave. Or do you want me to acknowledge legions of imaginary "world" people who agree with you? Even so, if you wanted to debate on a world stage, you can set one up and invite me.

quim said:
Just keep that thought. You will never recognize the faults on your side and you will just lose and complain along with the losers of the cold war forever.

I just said that 2014 was a diplomatic defeat for Russia. So... it seems you have poor memory as well in addition to the other things.

gpt · 2024-12-22T06:21:45-0500

ismellcopium said:
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Tico proves it's still got it by delivering some freedom to CCP Hornet

new narrative is going to be : Russia and China should be afraid of the friendly fire incident because "it shows we can shoot down maneuvering aircraft"
They can spin anything as a positive

quim · 2024-12-22T06:34:24-0500

manqiangrexue said:
What about extra goals? I set out to kill a dictator. He fled. I annexed his entire country into mine. So... I lost?

1. But everybody else says it is too.
2. You think we're stupid; we all think you're stupid. One person thinks everyone is crazy; everyone thinks one person is crazy. Only the 1 crazy person doesn't get it.
3. Why did you complain so much about how bad ad hominems were before? It's funny to see how desperation can turn someone against himself...

That would be a total Russian victory of the stated objectives. But it's still not as much a victory as annexing Ukraine into Russia which would be extra credit... So annexing part of Ukraine into Russia would lie somewhere on the spectrum depending on how much of it is annexed.

Yeah, everyone I see here. The debate stage is this forum, which you chose. If you think we're no good, you can leave. Or do you want me to acknowledge legions of imaginary "world" people who agree with you? Even so, if you wanted to debate on a world stage, you can set one up and invite me.

I just said that 2014 was a diplomatic defeat for Russia. So... it seems you have poor memory as well in addition to the other things.

You don't even know what a victory or defeat is, so you just change the subject to disguise it.

I made my prediction, and I'm going to be right.

The war will end in a stalemate.

And that's terrible for Russia.

But you can continue here just complaining and creating narratives about self-help and coping with the tiny Donbas territorial "victory". Lol

Biscuits · 2024-12-22T06:37:56-0500

quim said:
You don't even know what a victory or defeat is, so you just change the subject to disguise it.

I made my prediction, and I'm going to be right.

The war will end in a stalemate.

And that's terrible for Russia.

But you can continue here just complaining and creating narratives about self-help and coping with the tiny Donbas territorial "victory". Lol

Just seeing a lot of desparate hoping but no real action. Wars are extension of economy and industry contests, the moment EU showed it can't do anything about Russia's economy, they were in a severe disadvantage.

The reality on the ground regardless if you like it or not is that Russia has become one of the most rapidly expanding states in the world, adding more than 5 Israels worth of territory to itself in just 2 years...

This level of resentment by you because you seemingly have something personal against Russia is just quite sad, you'll live longer if you learn to let go and accept what's happening, or maybe take a break.

siegecrossbow · 2024-12-22T06:42:48-0500

supercat said:
Unmistakable sign that China's economy is collapsing.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1870342370757431318

I thought Christmas is banned in China like Winnie the Pooh? What’s going on here?

quim · 2024-12-22T06:49:28-0500

Biscuits said:
Just seeing a lot of desparate hoping but no real action. Wars are extension of economy and industry contests, the moment EU showed it can't do anything about Russia's economy, they were in a severe disadvantage.

The reality on the ground regardless if you like it or not is that Russia has become one of the most rapidly expanding states in the world, adding more than 5 Israels worth of territory to itself in just 2 years...

NATO is not just the EU. NATO is nothing less than the US military empire, literally occupying countries.

And the US economic situation is far from being that bad. On the contrary, this war has made the EU buy more from the US and less from Russia.In fact, it helped the US economy a lot.

manqiangrexue · 2024-12-22T06:53:14-0500

quim said:
You don't even know what a victory or defeat is,

Who does? Only you? We all don't know?

quim said:
so you just change the subject to disguise it.

What subject was it and what did I change it to?

quim said:
I made my prediction, and I'm going to be right.

Your prediction that Ukraine be partitioned is not wiley or difficult to predict. It's basically a question of whether Russia takes all of Ukraine. Yes or no? If not, then that is the likely scenerio and we're not saying that it's unlikely. However,

quim said:
The war will end in a stalemate.

We do argue that such a thing in which Russia annexes a large percentage of Ukraine into itself cannot be considered any kind of stalemate.

quim said:
And that's terrible for Russia.

1. It's excellent for Russia in every way. More territory, smaller hostile Ukraine, China-oriented economy, renewed and refined military.
2. Even if it were a stalemate, it would be equally terrible for Ukraine/NATO. That is the definition of a stalemate.

quim said:
But you can continue here

I will.

quim said:
just complaining

I've no complaints. Russia has done well against a NATO-supported Ukraine, is doing better every day, but has room for improvement like everyone.

quim said:
and creating narratives about self-help

Never heard of this.

quim said:
and coping with the tiny Donbas territorial "victory". Lol

While you are coping with the loss of 18% of Ukraine into Russia as a neutral stalemate.

quim said:
NATO is not just the EU. NATO is nothing less than the US military empire, literally occupying countries.

OK

quim said:
And the US economic situation is far from being that bad.

America is China's fight; Russia cannot pose a comprehensive challenge to the US but Russia can take out its European ally to make China's job easier.

quim said:
On the contrary, this war has made the EU buy more from the US and less from Russia.

A much poorer EU than before. And it has entwined Russia's and China's economies. It's good to sort things out where they belong.

Biscuits · 2024-12-22T06:53:42-0500

quim said:
NATO is not just the EU. NATO is nothing less than the US military empire, literally occupying countries.

And the US economic situation is far from being that bad. On the contrary, this war has made the EU buy more from the US and less from Russia.In fact, it helped the US economy a lot.

Yes, the goal is to first take out the weaker areas of NATO like EU.

US military empire is much like the old Qing, not an unified empire but a network of warlords. US doesn't have direct control over say SK, Germany or Turkey, only a degree of influence. Although the territory of the US empire is large, this decentralised structure makes the empire weaker than if it could be unified...

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