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Biscuits

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I used to advocate these 4 points too, but they cannot be sustained much longer as the war is draining resources from civilian productivity and fueling inflation.
GDP speaks for itself. Russia is now the largest economy in Europe. The war is profitable.
China-Russia economic relations are also not as vibrant as expected, with some Chinese companies and banks reluctant to adopt a new system independent of Western sanctions and investing in Russia. There are many projects and speeches, but more limited real progress.
Goods and GDP again speak for themselves, as you seem very pro western, you must be reading some sources that try to cope with reality by hiding behind falsehood or at best half truths.

Pro Hamas will claim resistance sanctions is destroying Israel. Pro Milei will say Argentina's economy is rapidly growing. Pro Cuban will say Cuba has a vibrant economy and society.

Everyone has a wishful narrative, but reality is undeniable (2024):
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If the war is resolved sooner,
"why didn't Hitler just take Stalingrad not siege it"

"why did US just surrender Ho Chi Minh city"

Russia is fighting for a large territory with millions of people on it. These aren't battles that resolve in weeks.
many more resources and personnel will be free to develop the economy, such as aviation which is suffering considerable delays. A quick victory will also bring about a change of mindset in Europe to accept the reality of a new multipolar world order. But this reluctant and fearful war only makes Western hawks bolder and freer to boycott alternatives.
Or alternatively a quick victory will bring about NATO joining the war against an unprepared and overstretched Russia, like what happened after US' quick "victory" over DPRK?

Or a quick victory will lead to Russia losing 1000s of planes like US did in Vietnam and then who will defend Denis Pushilin so he doesn't fall like Ngo Dinh Diem?

As Russia is gaining economically and winning the casualty trade heavily, it makes perfect sense to keep going as long as the status quo holds. And a war like this, could probably last 1-3 years more. It is the biggest conflict since Vietnam.

If you want to annex so much territory, there's no quick fixes.
 

quim

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GDP speaks for itself. Russia is now the largest economy in Europe. The war is profitable.

Goods and GDP again speak for themselves, as you seem very pro western, you must be reading some sources that try to cope with reality by hiding behind falsehood or at best half truths.

Pro Hamas will claim resistance sanctions is destroying Israel. Pro Milei will say Argentina's economy is rapidly growing. Pro Cuban will say Cuba has a vibrant economy and society.

Everyone has a wishful narrative, but reality is undeniable (2024):
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I'm not "very pro western." In fact, in real pro-western forums I am persecuted as a communist. lol.

I'm just a realist. Russia's economy is doing well, but this new configuration has its limits. I just reported the concerns expressed by the President of the Russian Central Bank, Elvira Nabiulina, about the overheating of the economy that fuels inflation due to personnel shortages, because the armaments industries are pulling employees from civilian companies, generating labor shortages.

If this situation goes on too long, it will lead to very high interest rates for longer and delays in the import substitution and technological independence program.

Or alternatively a quick victory will bring about NATO joining the war against an unprepared and overstretched Russia, like what happened after US' quick "victory" over DPRK?

Or a quick victory will lead to Russia losing 1000s of planes like US did in Vietnam and then who will defend Denis Pushilin so he doesn't fall like Ngo Dinh Diem?

As Russia is gaining economically and winning the casualty trade heavily, it makes perfect sense to keep going as long as the status quo holds. And a war like this, could probably last 1-3 years more. It is the biggest conflict since Vietnam.

If you want to annex so much territory, there's no quick fixes.
Defeating Ukraine does not mean annexing the entire territory at once.

Just neutralize the military threat and hostile government and put a friendly regime in place to filter the population, so, in the future, Russia will be able to annex the territory if it is beneficial. Nothing very different from what Israel is doing with Syria, Palestine and Lebanon currently.

However, at the current rate the war is only heading towards a stalemate negotiated by Trump next year, which could cause a lot of headaches in the future with NATO rearming Ukraine in the next term of democrats in the white house.
 

GulfLander

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manqiangrexue

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I used to advocate these 4 points too,
There's actually way more than 4. Funny that you say you advocated the exact 4 that I recalled off the top of my head... In your post history, have you ever posting something even mildly similar to these 4 points?
but they cannot be sustained much longer as the war is draining resources from civilian productivity and fueling inflation.
Where are you getting this from? Russian GDP is growing while EU's is languishing. That's all-inclusive.
China-Russia economic relations are also not as vibrant as expected, with some Chinese companies and banks reluctant to adopt a new system independent of Western sanctions and investing in Russia.
Well, it looks like they need more time, eh? They'll get it!
There are many projects and speeches, but more limited real progress.
If you look at the cross-border trade shooting up since the Ukraine war, I'd say there's actually much more real progress than talk. As a matter of fact, the only talk we see in the West is how the Sino-Russian relationship is failing as the trade volume shoots up and they complain that China is providing lethal aid to Russia.
If the war is resolved sooner, many more resources and personnel will be free to develop the economy,
For the EU. The EU is hemorrhaging resources.
such as aviation which is suffering considerable delays.
What part of Russian aviation would gain a boost from the end of the war? What do you expect to happen and why?
A quick victory will also bring about a change of mindset in Europe to accept the reality of a new multipolar world order.
A quick victory would have been best (for Russia, not China) but that did not happen. Ukraine has a third the population of Russia, is filled with Soviet weapons and has NATO IV attached to its arm. A quick victory was too optimistic, as we saw.
But this reluctant and fearful war only makes Western hawks bolder and freer to boycott alternatives.
1. What does "boycott alternatives" mean?
2. They further entangle and bleed themselves. Russia is of almost no use to China in the trade/tech war but the EU is America's critical ally. To have them cancel each other on those 2 efforts is a great deal for China and for the Sino-Russian alliance.
So I thought like you, but reality shows that there is a time limit for this to make sense. This pace is not sustainable in the medium and long term.
1. I have never heard you thinking like me.
2. You have shown nothing that this is unsustainable for Russia. It is unsustainable for the EU, though. So if we see an inflection point where Russia's economy goes into recession and the EU's economy recovers, then we can talk about the time limit.
Russia is not losing properly, but is unnecessarily turning the war into a stalemate
It's not losing or going into stalemate; it's winning slowly.
Well, the rest of your post is just childish personal attacks with no substance. It's not worth responding and it just makes this forum more similar to the Russian, Indian, Brazilian forums or Twitter with lots of useless words and low quality discussions. I'm not going to encourage that.
You mean you get attacked on all the forums you go to? LOL Shocking! Maybe you need to focus more on what you say rather than why everyone is mean to you.
It's life, in every space there are people with these disrespectful habits without the ability to know how to deal with anyone who disagrees with something. It is part of humanity and adults need to know how to filter this content that comes from those who have immature, rude and disrespectful behaviors.
Maybe you should ask why forums around the world think your ideas are so stupid and unsupported by evidence (Uh, what good are Russian missiles if they don't use them? LOL) that they deserve disrespect, which intensifies as you further struggle to double down on them.
I'm not "very pro western." In fact, in real pro-western forums I am persecuted as a communist. lol.
You are the second SDF concern troll to say this almost exact same thing. The last time, the other account called himself a wumao, which everyone laughed at, because Chinese people don't call ourselves wumao for speaking up for our own country, so good job on improving. And my recommendation to both are the same: pick a side. Don't be hated everywhere.
I'm just a realist. Russia's economy is doing well, but this new configuration has its limits.
That's not being a realist; that's the opposite. That's called imagining things because no limits have been proven.
I just reported the concerns expressed by the President of the Russian Central Bank, Elvira Nabiulina, about the overheating of the economy that fuels inflation due to personnel shortages, because the armaments industries are pulling employees from civilian companies, generating labor shortages.

If this situation goes on too long, it will lead to very high interest rates for longer and delays in the import substitution and technological independence program.
1. Cite it.
2. Is it the primary opinion in Russia or are there multiple competing opinions and options to prevent it, such as importing labor from China, which has significant youth unemployment?
Defeating Ukraine does not mean annexing the entire territory at once. Just neutralize the military threat and hostile government and put a friendly regime in place to filter the population, so, in the future, Russia will be able to annex the territory if it is beneficial. Nothing very different from what Israel is doing with Syria, Palestine and Lebanon currently.
Unfortunatley, it's a little different. The places that Israel annexed are known for being backwards and incompetent to the point where they attack each other when attacked by Israel, and Israel has American military support. Ukraine is actually a military stronghold from Soviet times backed by the support of over 30 modern countries. That Russia is gaining territory at all while fighting against this alliance is applaudable.
However, at the current rate the war is only heading towards a stalemate negotiated by Trump next year, which could cause a lot of headaches in the future with NATO rearming Ukraine in the next term of democrats in the white house.
Who says Putin will accept any deal that is not in favor of Russia? He seems in no rush to stop fighting.
 
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Biscuits

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I'm not "very pro western." In fact, in real pro-western forums I am persecuted as a communist. lol.

I'm just a realist. Russia's economy is doing well, but this new configuration has its limits. I just reported the concerns expressed by the President of the Russian Central Bank, Elvira Nabiulina, about the overheating of the economy that fuels inflation due to personnel shortages, because the armaments industries are pulling employees from civilian companies, generating labor shortages.
You're essentially saying that well, Russia still needs to manage their economy. That's a given as any country has to continously tweak their policy, but the war still powered them above any other European country.
If this situation goes on too long, it will lead to very high interest rates for longer and delays in the import substitution and technological independence program.

Defeating Ukraine does not mean annexing the entire territory at once.

Just neutralize the military threat and hostile government and put a friendly regime in place to filter the population, so, in the future, Russia will be able to annex the territory if it is beneficial. Nothing very different from what Israel is doing with Syria, Palestine and Lebanon currently.
???

Again more "take stalingrad instead of sieging it" analysis.

What do you think Russia is doing erasing millions of Ukrainians? The goal is to filter anyone that isn't openly resisting Kiev (by opposing Zelensky and the TCC) and therefore creating a culturally Russian/assimilated Ukrainian generation as the only people left on the land.

Russia is much further progressed along their plans than Israel, but the nature of the plans are fundamentally similar. Israel struggles finding enough firepower/bodies to man all the fronts, and as such has made very limited advances and kills.

It is apparently not possible to remake demographics in just a few months when people also fight back, or Israel would have taken Gaza already.
However, at the current rate the war is only heading towards a stalemate negotiated by Trump next year, which could cause a lot of headaches in the future with NATO rearming Ukraine in the next term of democrats in the white house.
This is completely delusional, there's no indication from either side they want a ceasefire, not even the losing side. US is headed towards yet another conflict in the middle east that further bleeds them, not much else.
 
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