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zhangjim

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ougoah said:
Should force a condition of US supporting reunification for the PRC to even entertain the idea of G2.
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Ringsword said:
Downpayment for this "help" is Taiwan on a platter free and clear and muzzling of "chained dogs" Japan,SK india and Aust-it's that easy and that hard.
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Your idea is great, but it is difficult for the United States to make significant concessions to others after the Cold War.
Even the controversial Nixon had to bypass the obstacles of bureaucratic interest groups and engage with China. Even today, there are still many populists or MAGA supporters who believe that the establishment of diplomatic relations between China and the United States was a mistake.
Do you think these people understand what "trading" means when they claim to retrieve all the money that has been "stolen" since 1979?
 
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TPenglake

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zhangjim said:
Well, Trump is now the President, and he no longer needs the support of Tiktok. It's time to 'sell' it to Musk.
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Can't comment on the other stuff, but in general I think he's interested in preserving the future of MAGA and Far Right nationalism, and simply put Right Wing influencers have gotten a massive headstart compared to liberals in reaching out to youngsters on the platform. So that's why in the long term, even after he's done, TikTok and X will continue to be the mothership platforms for the Far Right to spread their message, so he has an incentive to allow them to keep operating.
 
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GulfLander

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zhangjim said:
Your idea is great, but it is difficult for the United States to make significant concessions to others after the Cold War.
Even the controversial Nixon had to bypass the obstacles of bureaucratic interest groups and engage with China. Even today, there are still many populists or MAGA supporters who believe that the establishment of diplomatic relations between China and the United States was a mistake.
Do you think these people understand what "trading" means when they claim to retrieve all the money that has been "stolen" since 1979?
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Will US agree on helping reunification, or could be ised to buy time?
 
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iewgnem

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ougoah said:
Should force a condition of US supporting reunification for the PRC to even entertain the idea of G2.
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G2 assume America is China's equal, America is not.
Taiwan isn't up to discussion.
The only negotiation that can happen is US agree to withdraw of all forces on the planet and permanent containment to North America, in exchange for China not taking over those bases and allow America to still exist on North America.
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
Rich people want to look poor because there is a price to pay as an individual in a legal society, if you get physical in response to a threat. But there is no such thing as binding international law. A country can't get sued unless it chooses to allow it, principle of sovereign immunity. A country can't go to jail, because it has a military.

The world starts off simple, in an elementary school playground. Bigger fist wins. Then it gets complicated as you increase in scale with rules and regulations. But at the very largest scale, it is simple again. Bigger fist wins. If you can't intimidate your enemies, then it is assumed you simply don't have the capability and they'll test you to see how true that is. And if you don't have the will, that's the same as don't have the capability.
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China does have escalatory dominance in Asia outside of nuclear weapons. Also the thing about having the biggest fist (i.e. nuclear weapons), is that people doubt they will ever be used offensively because of the repercussions. Should China need to blow up the world to prove them wrong? How far are you willing to go to prove that point?

I am not saying China should give in to US demands and not seek nuclear parity with the USA. China still needs to hold firm on its red lines and national interests but there's a big difference between shit-talking throwing and fists in the playground and also provoking violence and deterring it. Politicians love to mouth off about China this and China but most of it is PR and campaigning talk, especially when they are in the opposition and it doesn't amount to very much more. Maybe they might try to test China with sanctions there and negative PR campaigns, but if you truly believe it might make right, then China's fundamentals will shine through all the mudslinging BS and take necessary action to protect itself.

Ultimately, it comes down to whether or not you believe China should be in a global alliance structure. I don't. So in the Gen Z lingo, China might not be an "alpha male" but it's a sigma that ignores provocations not because it's afraid or weak, its because it doesn't give a fuck.
 
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Enestori

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This is just empty rhetoric that Trump often makes. It's like the great Israel-Palestine peace deal, the great deal to save Dreamers, the great deal to end the trade war, the great deal with Iran, the 2018 dinner with Xi Jinping where he said it'd be a great idea to end tariffs, and so on and so forth. None of these deals ever happened.

What is actually going to happen is that Trump will demand that China sanction Russia and Iran. This will "solve all the problems in the world" by ensuring American primacy.

If China doesn't obey, Trump will raise tariffs on China by 10% and/or sanction Xiaomi/BBK and/or sanction Chinese shipbuilding and/or whatever. However, Trump would have already planned to do these things anyways. So even if China pulls a Gorbachev, Trump will say a big thank-you to China and then raise tariffs on China by 10% six months later.

Trump will also try to get the EU to raise tariffs on China if China doesn't sanction Russia. However, given the high American inflation the EU observes, I see this as less likely.

My prediction is that Trump demands China sanction Russia for "peace in Ukraine." China then doesn't sanction Russia (or pretends it will sanction Russia but doesn't). Trump then raises tariffs on China and sanctions China, which was his original plan.
 
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Biscuits

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iewgnem said:
G2 assume America is China's equal, America is not.
Taiwan isn't up to discussion.
The only negotiation that can happen is US agree to withdraw of all forces on the planet and permanent containment to North America, in exchange for China not taking over those bases and allow America to still exist on North America.
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True, but some sort of delaying tactic to arm up more and damage US economy further can only be positive, it's stacking the deck for a later conflict.
 
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