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plawolf

Lieutenant General
BTW does anyone know if europe is backing HTS because they want to deport Syrian refugees? I doubt the refugees want to return to a Libya 2.0 though.

As America has already said, ‘fuck the EU’. The Europeans are just vassals and tools to be used and abused as it suits America’s needs.

The Europeans are so domesticated they don’t even mind America doing colour revolutions in their own capitals and vetoing their general election results. So who gives a damn about their opinions on matters elsewhere in the world?
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
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The proper thing to do now is to get behind the mountains and consolidate around the coast. Alawite demographics and favorable terrain as well resupply from the sea should allow their survival for sometime.

The future is looking to be same as Libya: fractured and competing governments. The Arab Republic can survive around the coast and perhaps offer a secular alternative to the armies of Islamists and Salafists that will now push against each other. Political rectification is necessary to facilitate effective leadership.

Iran saw this coming on October 8 (~9:00) but could not stop it, because it was preoccupied with events in Lebanon.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Moving on, Syria from Homs up is under HTS and Turkish proxy control, and Damascus will almost certainly fall to the "Southern Operations Room" of factions from the less Islamist Southern Front, which apparently were left completely intact when they formed a truce with the government a few years ago and now switched sides again. Difficult to imagine the latter, especially the Druze forces in the southern mountains, accepting the authority of HTS (or HTS leading democratic elections while cracking down on dissent just moments ago! Shocking how easily propagandists reminding you of Ba'ath atrocities can't seem to remember al-Nusra's, or bizarrely taking the "we've changed!" pleas at face value) The Revolutionary Commando Army under US protection at Tanf is also seizing Palmyra and the border, and I am assuming that they are the same group that has appeared north and northeast of Damascus.

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and again, the SAA retreating without fighting from Homs

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and Hezbollah also retreating to Lebanon

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while the Ba'ath leaders fleeing from Homs to the Alawite coast, which they should have done from the beginning.

That leaves us with a 4-way division of a second civil war, one in each cardinal direction: Alawite Arabs, Sunni Syrian Arabs, Kurds, and foreign Sunnis. The first may not exist for long, either politically or ethnically, a fate that no group in Syria had to contemplate before now. The Arab Winter marches on.
Ahhh...this must be the SOFT ARAB POWER our dear @pmc has been yammering about all these years!!!
 

iewgnem

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Iran saw this coming on October 8 (~9:00) but could not stop it, because it was preoccupied with events in Lebanon.
Backing Lebanon is hardly enough to preoccupy actual Iranian forces, they could have stopped it but it won't be quick, and it would require effectively invading Syria because Assad never requested their help. Ultimately it's Assad and Syrians' prerogative to not fight, it's not in Iran's interest be the bad guy and help someone fight a war they don't want to fight.

Another consideration is Iran's top enemy right now is Israel, not Sunnis. Right now only 1 of Syrian factions has openly pro-Israel members, Turkey, SDF and part of FSA all profess to be pro-Palestine and they at least pretend to get offended at the suggestion they're working for Israel. If Iran gets into a fight in Syria it'll technically be two pro-Palestine groups fighting each other to Israel's benefit.

In a sense the power transfer in Syria can be described as almost peaceful, certainly far less death and destruction than just a week in Ukraine, considering Iran and Saudi Arabia have resumed relations, its probably in Iran's interest to take a wait and see approach.
 

tamsen_ikard

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Backing Lebanon is hardly enough to preoccupy actual Iranian forces, they could have stopped it but it won't be quick, and it would require effectively invading Syria because Assad never requested their help. Ultimately it's Assad and Syrians' prerogative to not fight, it's not in Iran's interest be the bad guy and help someone fight a war they don't want to fight.

Another consideration is Iran's top enemy right now is Israel, not Sunnis. Right now only 1 of Syrian factions has openly pro-Israel members, Turkey, SDF and part of FSA all profess to be pro-Palestine and they at least pretend to get offended at the suggestion they're working for Israel. If Iran gets into a fight in Syria it'll technically be two pro-Palestine groups fighting each other to Israel's benefit.

In a sense the power transfer in Syria can be described as almost peaceful, certainly far less death and destruction than just a week in Ukraine, considering Iran and Saudi Arabia have resumed relations, its probably in Iran's interest to take a wait and see approach.
You can look at the Sunni-Shia rivalry angle, but you can also look at the islamist angle. Iran, HTS and Erdogan's party are all Islamists and can become allies based on ideology. If they join forces and start fomenting rebellions to overthrow Arab monarchies that are essentially western puppets with populist islamist governments, that could be a huge blow to US and israeli power in the ME.
 

montyp165

Senior Member
There must of been false confidence planted because he was so confident that he took his entire family on a trip to China. This is similar to the page plants and Hezbollah leadership quick annihilation. It was planted that Hezbollah was powerful yada yada ....

In the context of China , easy confidence could also lead to easy fall. I take all these US wargames that they/taiwan will quickly lose for a grain of salt.
Not really, especially since the Houthis have been able to fight off US and Saudi-backed forces since 2014 despite technical and materiel limitations, it absolutely shows the criticality of organizational strength over raw materiel and technical strengths alone. The Chinese position is more like the pre-WW2 whereas the current US is more pre-WW2 Japan, and in the end this will become very clear before the end of the decade if it isn't already.
 
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