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tokenanalyst

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10 year project? Will it start from Trump1.0 time? 4 years per president per term in US right?


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I posted this in the semiconductor thread. Export controls has costed the US close to 545 Billions dollars on sales to China from 2018 to 2023, that is staggering, that what this stooge will never acknowledge, we are talking about high tech stuff, the things that the US was suppose to be very good at, RF tech, AI chips, semiconductor manufacturing equipment, quantum technology, EDA, operating systems, advanced materials, nuclear technology, aerospace technology and so on, you know the good stuff.

The question is, what manufacturing goods this stooges want China to buy from the US? T-Shirts? Why Chinese consumers are going to buy more expensive US made T-shirts when locally made are cheaper and even cheaper from some surrounding countries? Chinese consumers <individually or companies> are only going to buy things that are either <quality/price> equal or cheaper than locally made alternatives or that there are very few or none alternatives locally like in the case of very high tech products. Is called supply and demand.

These export controls and the "tech war" are ironically converting the US from the perspective of China into a giant supermarket and a gas station the same thing that US politicians say that Russia is. Even if China somehow magically stopped making TVs, Chinese consumers are not necessary going to buy US made TVs when there are other countries that make much better TVs at much cheaper price. Tariff are not going to change that dynamic, doesn't matter how high or for how long. Removing exports controls in the other hand, could, if is not too late, increase the sales of US manufacturing goods and services to China. Is economic 101.

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Bellum_Romanum

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I posted this in the semiconductor thread. Export controls has costed the US close to 545 Billions dollars on sales to China from 2018 to 2023, that is staggering, that what this stooge will never acknowledge, we are talking about high tech stuff, the things that the US was suppose to be very good at, RF tech, AI chips, semiconductor manufacturing equipment, quantum technology, EDA, operating systems, advanced materials, nuclear technology, aerospace technology and so on, you know the good stuff.

The question is, what manufacturing goods this stooges want China to buy from the US? T-Shirts? Why Chinese consumers are going to buy more expensive US made T-shirts when locally made are cheaper and even cheaper from some surrounding countries? Chinese consumers <individually or companies> are only going to buy things that are either <quality/price> equal or cheaper than locally made alternatives or that there are very few or none alternatives locally like in the case of very high tech products. Is called supply and demand.

These export controls and the "tech war" are ironically converting the US from the perspective of China into a giant supermarket and a gas station the same thing that US politicians say that Russia is. Even if China somehow magically stopped making TVs, Chinese consumers are not necessary going to buy US made TVs when there are other countries that make much better TVs at much cheaper price. Tariff are not going to change that dynamic, doesn't matter how high or for how long. Removing exports controls in the other hand, could, if is not too late, increase the sales of US manufacturing goods and services to China. Is economic 101.

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Bbbuuuttt....according to the high almighty economists anonymously quoted on a recent Foreign Affairs magazine essay:

Chinese economists are alarmed by the nationalistic direction of their country’s economic policy and skeptical that self-reliance will work. They believe that a return to a more market-friendly approach is necessary. Some have aired their worries publicly, but the danger to their careers is real, and so most keep quiet."

How do you square that statement with the tech war that the U.S. initiated and imposed against China?
 

tokenanalyst

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Bbbuuuttt....according to the high almighty economists anonymously quoted on a recent Foreign Affairs magazine essay:

Chinese economists are alarmed by the nationalistic direction of their country’s economic policy and skeptical that self-reliance will work. They believe that a return to a more market-friendly approach is necessary. Some have aired their worries publicly, but the danger to their careers is real, and so most keep quiet."

How do you square that statement with the tech war that the U.S. initiated and imposed against China?
Is question of supply, demand and capabilities. Is not even nationalism anymore. China has the capabilities because has a pretty big strong research institutions and enough money. The issue was and is the supply and demand.

For example the US have pretty good RF companies like Corvo <supply> and Huawei had before the sanctions a preference for products made by these companies <demand> , that was until think tankers and stooges in D.C. started the campaign the lead to Huawei being blacklisted, that changed the demand and Huawei was forced to change their suppliers by developing and collaborating with Chinese companies on RF technology or develop their own.


The situation is that returning to a more "market-friendly approach", if is not too late, is not in China hands anymore, is in the hand of the stooges that work in Washington D.C. The think tanks clowns the write on foreign affairs know that the D.C stooges don't want a "market-friendly approach" but they have to gaslight their readers anyway.
 

dshum852

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Don't know if this is credible, but it is interesting that it is "US officials" commenting on the objective of an alleged internal PLA operation.
Indeed, certainly reason to be sceptical. However, as noted in the article, FT were the first to previously report US officials believed Li Shangfu was under investigation who was later sacked. One to keep an eye on.
 

Elevenz

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Is there any substance to this recent FT report from 12 minutes ago?

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The answer is that no one knows and everything is speculation until something happens. Personally, I would say that it doesn’t particularly matter whether there was corruption or not because the answer is always that there is. The issue only arises if they are impeding progress in which if he gets sacked that was probably happening too. Or who knows maybe he just cheated on his wife.

On the credibility side, plenty of western rags just chuck stuff at a board and eventually one ends up correct. It’s paywalled so I can’t see the text but it’s funny if they are relying on the sole example of getting Li Shangfu right when they have made plenty of wrong guesses. It’s not like they are going to make a list of times they were right and wrong to show credibility. No one takes accountability for incorrect rumors/lying but make sure to boast about your reliability when you do succeed.
 

Quan8410

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The answer is that no one knows and everything is speculation until something happens. Personally, I would say that it doesn’t particularly matter whether there was corruption or not because the answer is always that there is. The issue only arises if they are impeding progress in which if he gets sacked that was probably happening too. Or who knows maybe he just cheated on his wife.

On the credibility side, plenty of western rags just chuck stuff at a board and eventually one ends up correct. It’s paywalled so I can’t see the text but it’s funny if they are relying on the sole example of getting Li Shangfu right when they have made plenty of wrong guesses. It’s not like they are going to make a list of times they were right and wrong to show credibility. No one takes accountability for incorrect rumors/lying but make sure to boast about your reliability when you do succeed.
Waiting for someone from PLA to be arrested because mistakenly press the button and turn Taiwan/Japan to pieces.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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The answer is that no one knows and everything is speculation until something happens. Personally, I would say that it doesn’t particularly matter whether there was corruption or not because the answer is always that there is. The issue only arises if they are impeding progress in which if he gets sacked that was probably happening too. Or who knows maybe he just cheated on his wife.

On the credibility side, plenty of western rags just chuck stuff at a board and eventually one ends up correct. It’s paywalled so I can’t see the text but it’s funny if they are relying on the sole example of getting Li Shangfu right when they have made plenty of wrong guesses. It’s not like they are going to make a list of times they were right and wrong to show credibility. No one takes accountability for incorrect rumors/lying but make sure to boast about your reliability when you do succeed.
Here's the article in full:

From the Financial Times:

"China has put its defence minister under investigation in the latest corruption-related scandal to hit the top of the People’s Liberation Army, according to current and former US officials familiar with the situation.

Admiral Dong Jun, who was named in December 2023 after his predecessor was fired for corruption, is being investigated as part of a broader probe into graft in the PLA, the US officials said.
He is the third consecutive serving or former defence minister to be investigated for alleged corruption.
Dong succeeded General Li Shangfu, who was ousted after just seven months in the job. Both men were appointed by President Xi Jinping.

The Financial Times was the first to report that US officials believed Li was under investigation for corruption. Li had succeeded Wei Fenghe who was also placed under investigation for corruption after he had retired from the role.
The US official said Xi was conducting a wave of investigations into the PLA that had ensnared Dong. It remains unclear what kind of corruption allegations he is facing.

China’s embassy in Washington declined to comment.

The news comes a week after Dong attended an Asian defence meeting in Laos at which he refused to meet US defence secretary Lloyd Austin — which Austin described as “unfortunate”. The two men had first met in Singapore in May at the IISS Shangri-La Dialogue defence forum in the first significant minister-level engagement between the two militaries since November 2022.
China’s defence ministry blamed the US for the rebuff, saying Washington was “solely responsible” because it had recently approved a package of weapons for Taiwan, which for the first time included advanced surface-to-air missiles.

The dispute came days after US President Joe Biden and Xi met at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Peru and reiterated that their militaries should continue to hold direct communications.
China shut down military communication channels with the US in August 2022 after Nancy Pelosi became the first Speaker of the US House of Representatives to visit Taiwan in 25 years.

Xi agreed to reopen the channels when he held a summit with Biden in San Francisco a year ago, paving the way for Dong and Austin to meet.

The investigation into Dong suggests Xi is broadening his probe into corruption in the PLA. In addition to the removal of the defence minister’s two predecessors, China’s president had previously removed the two officers who headed the PLA Rocket Forces and oversaw China’s nuclear weapons programme.

In 2022, Xi also removed Qin Gang, who he had appointed as foreign minister, following reports of an extramarital affair with a Chinese woman in the US.
US military officers and officials have suggested investigations into the PLA were undermining Xi’s confidence in his military and raising questions about whether it would develop the capability to invade Taiwan by 2027 — a goal set by the Chinese president. (HORSESHIT AND BOLD FACE LIE).

Unlike the role of defence secretary in the US government, the defence minister in China is not the most powerful military figure in the Chinese system, which is headed by the vice-chairs of the Central Military Commission. Instead the defence minister serves as the international face of the PLA.

Earlier this year, Dong was not appointed to the CMC as expected, in an unusual development that raised questions about his tenure.

End of article.

**Italics and Bolded words are my personal comments.

Why is it that after each meetup with Chinese appointed Defense Minister with SECDEF Lloyd Austin the Chinese officers ended up getting investigated and rather unfortunately subsequently sacked from the job for CORRUPTION CHARGES. WTF!!

Is Lloyd Austin that charming and Uber persuasive in coercing/corrupting his Chinese counterparts? Lol WTH.

If Adm. Dong Jun is found to be corrupt, then the PLA despite all the advances it made in equipment and technology is in my opinion so thoroughly compromised -- my perception only. It's no wonder why the Americans and it's vassals including the chihuahua Philippines aren't afraid to challenge Chinese claims in the SCS. This latest incident isn't going to give the PLA a whole lot of confidence within its rank and file, it's elastic allies, and in my opinion actually just emboldens the enemy.

Perhaps it's no wonder why China has been talking about peace this peace that, because it's not at all confident with the actual capabilities of its own military. Casualty averse due to the genius plan of Deng Xiaoping and the hyperfocus on material wealth while slowly but surely losing the martial spirit of the Chinese people.

What the flying f..k is their MSS or whoever f..ng doing the vetting on selecting these f..kd up officers. Who even leaked this news to the FT for the 3rd bleeping time? I mean to quote the former British Spy and writer of James Bond, Ian Fleming: "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action"
 
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