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Here's the article in full:

From the Financial Times:

"China has put its defence minister under investigation in the latest corruption-related scandal to hit the top of the People’s Liberation Army, according to current and former US officials familiar with the situation.

Admiral Dong Jun, who was named in December 2023 after his predecessor was fired for corruption, is being investigated as part of a broader probe into graft in the PLA, the US officials said.
He is the third consecutive serving or former defence minister to be investigated for alleged corruption.
Dong succeeded General Li Shangfu, who was ousted after just seven months in the job. Both men were appointed by President Xi Jinping.

The Financial Times was the first to report that US officials believed Li was under investigation for corruption. Li had succeeded Wei Fenghe who was also placed under investigation for corruption after he had retired from the role.
The US official said Xi was conducting a wave of investigations into the PLA that had ensnared Dong. It remains unclear what kind of corruption allegations he is facing.

China’s embassy in Washington declined to comment.

The news comes a week after Dong attended an Asian defence meeting in Laos at which he refused to meet US defence secretary Lloyd Austin — which Austin described as “unfortunate”. The two men had first met in Singapore in May at the IISS Shangri-La Dialogue defence forum in the first significant minister-level engagement between the two militaries since November 2022.
China’s defence ministry blamed the US for the rebuff, saying Washington was “solely responsible” because it had recently approved a package of weapons for Taiwan, which for the first time included advanced surface-to-air missiles.

The dispute came days after US President Joe Biden and Xi met at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Peru and reiterated that their militaries should continue to hold direct communications.
China shut down military communication channels with the US in August 2022 after Nancy Pelosi became the first Speaker of the US House of Representatives to visit Taiwan in 25 years.

Xi agreed to reopen the channels when he held a summit with Biden in San Francisco a year ago, paving the way for Dong and Austin to meet.

The investigation into Dong suggests Xi is broadening his probe into corruption in the PLA. In addition to the removal of the defence minister’s two predecessors, China’s president had previously removed the two officers who headed the PLA Rocket Forces and oversaw China’s nuclear weapons programme.

In 2022, Xi also removed Qin Gang, who he had appointed as foreign minister, following reports of an extramarital affair with a Chinese woman in the US.
US military officers and officials have suggested investigations into the PLA were undermining Xi’s confidence in his military and raising questions about whether it would develop the capability to invade Taiwan by 2027 — a goal set by the Chinese president. (HORSESHIT AND BOLD FACE LIE).

Unlike the role of defence secretary in the US government, the defence minister in China is not the most powerful military figure in the Chinese system, which is headed by the vice-chairs of the Central Military Commission. Instead the defence minister serves as the international face of the PLA.

Earlier this year, Dong was not appointed to the CMC as expected, in an unusual development that raised questions about his tenure.

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**Italics and Bolded words are my personal comments.

Why is it that after each meetup with Chinese appointed Defense Minister with SECDEF Lloyd Austin the Chinese officers ended up getting investigated and rather unfortunately subsequently sacked from the job for CORRUPTION CHARGES. WTF!!

Is Lloyd Austin that charming and Uber persuasive in coercing/corrupting his Chinese counterparts? Lol WTH.

If Adm. Dong Jun is found to be corrupt, then the PLA despite all the advances it made in equipment and technology is in my opinion so thoroughly compromised -- my perception only. It's no wonder why the Americans and it's vassals including the chihuahua Philippines aren't afraid to challenge Chinese claims in the SCS. This latest incident isn't going to give the PLA a whole lot of confidence within its rank and file, it's elastic allies, and in my opinion actually just emboldens the enemy.

Perhaps it's no wonder why China has been talking about peace this peace that, because it's not at all confident with the actual capabilities of its own military. Casualty averse due to the genius plan of Deng Xiaoping and the hyperfocus on material wealth while slowly but surely losing the martial spirit of the Chinese people.

What the flying f..k is their MSS or whoever f..ng doing the vetting on selecting these f..kd up officers. Who even leaked this news to the FT for the 3rd bleeping time? I mean to quote the former British Spy and writer of James Bond, Ian Fleming: "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action"
Near every single US official pro Iraq and Afghanistan invasions were corrupt, that wasn't necessarily enemy action was it?

Anyways this article is non credible, not only is it from a mouthpiece outlet of another government that has its own very strong ideas and agendas that are often incompatible with reality, but they also present fake news about Qin Gang who left for medical reasons.

From an overall perspective, holding higher ups accountable for allowing lower levels to be inefficient is necessary, this shows a healthy system where nobody is beyond reproach.

So you suggest to save face China should never sack less skilled officers to replace them with more skilled ones, then you're essentially turning the military into a welfare program for the ones working in it, the exact same thing many people here mock NATO militaries for.

Imho our enemies could actually benefit a lot from less face saving and more focus on efficiency, for example every official that suggested the 2023 Ukraine counteroffensive should have met the same fate as Li Shangfu, as should every official that failed to audit the Pentagon. But luckily they won't do that.
 

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What the flying f..k is their MSS or whoever f..ng doing the vetting on selecting these f..kd up officers. Who even leaked this news to the FT for the 3rd bleeping time? I mean to quote the former British Spy and writer of James Bond, Ian Fleming: "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action"

If the investigation of Dong Jun was going to be announced at some point, it doesn't really matter when people found out. So the information could've been leaked on purpose to find a mole.
 

Overbom

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Is there any substance to this recent FT report from 12 minutes ago?

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It is written by Demetri Sevastopulo who is basically the national security establishment spokesperson on FT. I guess the overall premise of the article is true, he is being investigated.

Now for the rest, who knows, the West loves to sprinkle little lies on big truths
 

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The US lies about graveyards of EVs in China. This is a glimpse of the future of the US auto industry. A gigantic graveyard of new ICE vehicles they can't sell.
 
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