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South Korea's Yoon tells China's Xi cooperation needed on Russia, North Korea​




Joke of the day :p

Guess Yoon took Zelensky's message to heart.

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'A war of two countries against one' — Zelensky urges Western allies to take decisive action on North Korean troop involvement​

So this is why multiple media simultaneously report "north korean in Ukraine" misinformation. To justify more aid to Ukraine and to slander China.
 

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Hmm what's going on in South Korea and Hungary? Do Hungary boomers have more communist nostalgia?
I dunno about Hungary but with South Korea its quite simple. SK despite claiming its different has a massive overlap with China in what they compete in.

As a young person over there, as China rises you see South Korea going back to the old days where it was vassal state of China. Whether its the Mongolians, Chinese or Manchus, all of them are bad for Koreans. Doesn't matter which guy is in charge of SK, they are not blind to this. Its just SK is controlled by the US at the moment so they cannot swap to China's side.

I remember reading about about South Korea has all this soft power a few years back. Now we already seeing it decline as people can see through the illusion since South Korea's hard power is declining.

In the China Semiconductor thread, we see Samsung is already in trouble with regards to semiconductors and TSMC's lead over them is widening. Because of sanctions for China, Samsung suddenly is going to lose a lot of business. Then lets not forget Samsung phones are no longer as cool when people realize buying a cheaper China phone that can still do most things is better value for money. The crown Jewel of South Korea which we thought was safe now finds itself in a hard position. And its due to either forms of Chinese.

Then we see its actual results in sports. SK really only has its football team left. Did you know SK won the first Table Tennis Men's gold at the Olympics? Hard to believe given China's dominance. But even if SK started well, its now China's game. Same applies to a lot of other sports. To SK, China is that great wall that prevents its athletes from obtaining gold. They can make cartoons saying they won Gold at the Olympics in swimming but in real life we know Pan Zhanle won the 100m.

So to young people in SK, they are asking if only China was still weak and poor, we would stand out and be on top! No amount of KPOP can wash away this. And speaking of which, since BTS is on hiatus, the other artists cannot carry the KPOP weight and therefore people will gradually lose interest.
 

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So I've heard. We proved that wrong by moving ahead of them in tech. If we hadn't, this would still be considered true.
Not really. The inherent intelligence was there even when China was at its lowest point, it just took the right conditions for it to blossom. There are many in the global south that are going through the same conditions China went through but with the proper conditions their intelligence will shine through too.
The value system is determined by the people. Smart talented people know what to value. Stupid untalented people place value on the wrong things. Too many of them and that becomes the values of that society.
Value system is determined by historical circumstances, culture is incredibly difficult to undo. I've traveled all over the world I can understand why some cultures value certain things that others do not. What we call values and culture are forged from survival traits, for the westerner and the east asian, it was in their best interests to forge efficient societies because their survival depended on it. In west africa they didn't need to. I don't agree with this notion that only stupid and untalented people place value in the wrong things, I personally know many people who are incredibly intelligent but want to do just enough and get by.
There are very few countries that fit this description. The vast majority do not. I grew up in the US, primary schooling in NYC. I've seen it all.

And the reason they didn't develop such an economy is because they did not have the collective intellect or talent to do so.
Wrong again. They didn't develop advanced economies because there simply wasn't any need to. If such a time calls for it do not underestimate what the human mind will do.
I'm a very result-oriented person. If you say that a people are smart, you have to prove it with their national results, not theorize it with excuses for failures.
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Saying you're result-oriented doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. China is currently the second largest economy in the world, can I say they are less intelligent and dynamic than the Americans?
I'm also very positive on the global south; I want them to develop into strong partners for China and I want them to surpass the West. However, I do not give undue credit just for affection. China was a third world country that was poor and backwards; we rose to become a nation that the collective West cannot contend with. But that is our credit; our achievments are not to be applied to all poor third world countries as if they were to be assumed as recurrent patterns and results reproducible by anyone.
Nobody is vying for undue credit however it does not mean that folks won't correct racist misconceptions. Nobody is taking credit or saying China's achievements are to be applied to poor third world countries. This nonsense about others not having enough talent is just supremacist nonsense. Development isn't going to happen in tandem, some societies will develop before others which will lead some to believe that just because they've made it means others aren't as talented as they are. Complete and utter nonsense.
 

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I remember reading about about South Korea has all this soft power a few years back. Now we already seeing it decline as people can see through the illusion since South Korea's hard power is declining.


So to young people in SK, they are asking if only China was still weak and poor, we would stand out and be on top! No amount of KPOP can wash away this. And speaking of which, since BTS is on hiatus, the other artists cannot carry the KPOP weight and therefore people will gradually lose interest.
I don’t dislike K-pop, but it’s just American popular music in a different language. It’s completely disinteresting to me and frankly, it’s not that popular here in the United States. Ironically, China has had a far, far larger influence on Western popular culture through TikTok.

China is outcompeting South Korea in most of its stronghold industries (home appliances, displays, shipbuilding, smartphones, telecommunications, automobiles, batteries). China’s semiconductor industry may completely eclipse South Korea’s within a decade or two.

If I was a low-IQ South Korean, I would absolutely despise China.
 
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Hitomi

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I don’t dislike K-pop, but it’s just American popular music in a different language. It’s completely disinteresting to me and frankly, it’s not that popular here in the United States. Ironically, China has had a far, far larger influence on Western popular culture through TikTok.

China is outcompeting South Korea in most of its stronghold industries (home appliances, displays, shipbuilding, smartphones, telecommunications, automobiles, batteries). China’s semiconductor industry may completely eclipse South Korea’s within a decade or two.

If I was a low-IQ South Korean, I would absolutely despise China.
If you were a SKorean Nationalist born in 70-80s you would be quite sad as you were overshadowed by the Japanese till the late 90s and when you were getting finally getting your time in the sun during the late 2000s to first half of the 2010s, suddenly China comes out of nowhere and starts dunking on your supposed strengths. Under 10 years is basically nothing in the timeline of a nation.
 

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Not sure if this was posted before but another Pew Research survey.

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As always, read critically with the understanding that it is not a purely objective publication.

Consistently though, youth report far better views of China than boomers.

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So all Latin American countries that were surveyed have a net-positive opinion on China but none of them have confidence in President Xi to do the right thing regarding world affairs ...

Interestingly, it's the opposite with Philippines. Only 34% Filipinos have positive opinion of China, but 45% have confidence in President Xi.
 
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Not really. The inherent intelligence was there even when China was at its lowest point, it just took the right conditions for it to blossom. There are many in the global south that are going through the same conditions China went through but with the proper conditions their intelligence will shine through too.

Value system is determined by historical circumstances, culture is incredibly difficult to undo. I've traveled all over the world I can understand why some cultures value certain things that others do not. What we call values and culture are forged from survival traits, for the westerner and the east asian, it was in their best interests to forge efficient societies because their survival depended on it. In west africa they didn't need to.
Correction: they didn't know they needed to.
I don't agree with this notion that only stupid and untalented people place value in the wrong things, I personally know many people who are incredibly intelligent but want to do just enough and get by.
I agree so, no people are born rotten. Only cultures and values.
Wrong again. They didn't develop advanced economies because there simply wasn't any need to. If such a time calls for it do not underestimate what the human mind will do.
There was a need to, just one they could not see because their culture has put a wall over their eyes.
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Saying you're result-oriented doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. China is currently the second largest economy in the world, can I say they are less intelligent and dynamic than the Americans?
That's quite dumb to count all of the west into 1 economy, they're not that integrated with eachother to the point they can claim to be 1 aggregate economy that would be ahead of China.

It would be like saying US isn't even no2 economy but no3 because BRICS is also ahead of US.
Nobody is vying for undue credit however it does not mean that folks won't correct racist misconceptions. Nobody is taking credit or saying China's achievements are to be applied to poor third world countries. This nonsense about others not having enough talent is just supremacist nonsense. Development isn't going to happen in tandem, some societies will develop before others which will lead some to believe that just because they've made it means others aren't as talented as they are. Complete and utter nonsense.
The problem is that many third world countries adopted American style values, governance and behavior. By that I don't mean they're geopolitically aligned with America, but how they choose to run their cultures. Leaders are loyal to their own families and business interests, there is no accountability anywhere. Until this widespread corruption (which is culture bound) can be removed, there will not be de facto equality between the third world and the West or the East.

The West has the same issues with cultural incompetence, but are coasting by on their colonial wealth, putting them on a higher level than the third world, which has cultural incompetence but no wealth.

Imho the spreading of socialist culture may be the great equaliser.
 

azn_cyniq

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If you were a SKorean Nationalist born in 70-80s you would be quite sad as you were overshadowed by the Japanese till the late 90s and when you were getting finally getting your time in the sun during the late 2000s to first half of the 2010s, suddenly China comes out of nowhere and starts dunking on your supposed strengths. Under 10 years is basically nothing in the timeline of a nation.
Yeah…the fact that TSMC, a company from Taiwan, is worth almost as much as the top 100 South Korean companies combined must be sobering for them. If they cannot outcompete 23 million Chinese people in such an important industry, then outcompeting 1.4 billion Chinese people will be incredibly difficult.
 
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