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Yes what they're not talking about is the huge black hole ahead for the West resulting from their weaponizing trade. JP Morgan wants Chinese financial transparency so they know where Chinese money is going. It's none of their business but people who are use to knowing, don't know now.
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Were they caught offguard? Like in CN Gold trades etc?
 
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Chinese society has a very intense mindset and that has its pros and cons. The pro is that it really drives us to be the best that we can be; we always want to be better than each other so we consistently push each other to new heights. The con is that we are way overstressed and we don't find happiness in our achievments because we always want more.

The economy of the entire world is in a downturn. In China, we are not going as strong as before but we are going way stronger than anyone else, particularly Western economies. However, there is a spat of dissatisfaction in China. The most common complaint is that college and graduate school grads can't get good jobs; they have to do restaurant work. My wife told me that that is really pissing people off and making them feel let down because the Chinese mentality finds it absolutely insulting and ludicrous to be a blue collar worker after a college education; it's to a point where they'd rather do nothing than the common work they see as demeaning. I heard this and growing up in the US, that didn't sound bad at all. I told her that the waiters at the restaurants we eat at are almost all college-educated. The people loading shelves at the supermarket (legal workers only) are mostly college-educated. Doordash/Uber drivers (non-immigrants) are mostly college-educated. I went to get a Checkers Burger the other day; the cashier who struggled to figure out that the buy-one-get-one-for-$1 deal means that I ordered 2, was wearing a jersey from Howard University. These people accept that college is just a normal phase of life and afterwards, you may enter the workforce at any level. This is a developed country without the competitive fervor of Chinese society.

Chinese people are still engrained with the old thought that going to college or grad school means a white collar job. That was true decades ago because very few people could go to college, but as China's college attendance skyrocketted, the there are now way more college grads than white collar jobs. (At least) one of 2 things needs to happen. Either Chinese people come to the realization that most people are going to college so that is not an automatic qualification for a white collar job so they should accept the new norm of blue-collared college grads... or we need to truly evolve into a robotic-heavy society where almost all blue collared labor is taken by machines and every person gets to be at least at the level of machine manager (which represents a white collared job). The latter would represent incredible growth into a vastly wealthy society but it's a long-haul goal. The former will likely have to be accepted first.

They said that about China, but China pulled itself out with its talent. It was assumed to be true that we were not very talented until we proved it wrong.

I agree with you that there are likely people with talent on an individual level in the global south; they have the genetic talents to become stars if they were given the oppertunities for proper education and training. But that is most often not the case in the global south, so finding these talents at a young enough age to be able to train then is almost impossible. While a hyper-talent born in Ghana might have had the genetics to become a renowned global expert on computer engineering had he been trained from youth, instead, he's likely to just own a computer fixing shop in his city because he never had the chance to develop his skills as a student because there was no mechanism to discover or train him at that age.

And the reason that the global south has not developed an education system that can find and develop these talents is because their talent is too few to collectively rise from a low level as China did.
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I don't know where you live but I'm sure you've heard the cliche that China can't innovate and that everything it manufactures is because it copied from the west. Basically insinuating that the Chinese aren't intelligent enough to create anything on their own without copying.

A country's development (or lack thereof) has almost nothing to do with "talent" or intelligence, every country has talent, it has everything to do with a country's value system and where they place those values. Many of us went to schools in the west and are familiar with how intelligent students from the global south are. The reason the global south hasn't developed an educational system that can find and develop talent is not because the talent is too few but because the economies can't sufficiently absorb them into proper dignified work.
 
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Lol, I'd like to know which countries have negative growth right now and are all hunky dory?

Barring the hyperbole though, knife and car attacks are perhaps nothing new in China sadly, yet it is very concerning to see three in such short succession and producing as many casualties when before these attacks usually just result in wounded with minimal dead.

Its a given that the economy is having a bit of a hard time, but I do think some self-criticism is warranted in this case mostly with how broadly East Asian culture would make people lash out more severely when times are hard. Yes, compared to Western nations citizens of China, Japan, and Korea are more disciplined and thus follow rules more, have lower levels of street crime, and are more orderly.

But the flipside is East Asian countries are essentially pressure cooker cultures, where hypercompetition is promoted, emphasis is put on face, extreme judgmentalalism and classism is rife, mental health is stigmatized, tolerance for failure is practically nonexistent, and where most working class jobs are low paying and considered dirty work reserved for migrants. People are disciplined, but are also conditioned to bottle up whatever emotional problems they might have. In Korea and Japan, many people collapse under the pressure and off themselves, and in China nowadays it seems people who let their emotions get the better of them just let it explode into violence.

Its not like the government is unaware of this, but as the saying goes old habits die hard. (Which is why its so ridiculous to claim the CR destroyed Chinese culture.) When they banned private tutoring and beseached parents to let their kids have more free time, Chinese parents simply went underground to seek private tutors for their kids. When they banned 996, companies simply skirted the ban by cutting base salaries and incentivizing people to work overtime, as well as dangling the lay off list over the heads of every employee if they thought twice about work life balance.

The government can protect the public from future attacks by hiring more police and if necessary increasing surveillance, but on top of the economy getting back on track again some changes will needed to be made by the Chinese people themselves to decrease the pressure everyone is under.
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China is much more diverse than Japan and South Korea due to geographic scale and speed of development. Life of a rural or small city post 90s/00s Chinese is 100x different than an global urban post 70s/80s. The post 70s/80s just missed out on the radical reforms, so they have no comparison to pre-reform times. But they do have comparison to developed countries. And they grew up when the gap was the biggest - military conflict was over so they never saw China's wins, but the economic gap was huge so they only saw China's disadvantages. And their parents, who had tons of time as they were the professionals with urban hukou, gave them tons of pressure to follow in their footsteps - even positive pressure like just giving them stuff for free is a form of pressure, as it will need to be repaid in the end. So when they had kids, born in late 90s and early 2000s, they instilled the same values in them.

Post 90s/00s, especially rural and small urban, on the other hand have only known a rising China and have personally seen their own lives get far better. When they graduated in the 2010s they had access to relatively high paying blue collar jobs that were safer than ever, cheap smartphones, digitization, etc. And with parents that were out working, there isn't much pressure except towards oneself.

Minds do not change in general. It takes conscious effort to absorb new information and change ones preconceived notions. What changes social attitudes is the aging out of those who hold 1 view and their replacement by those who hold newer views.
 
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Not sure if this was posted before but another Pew Research survey.

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As always, read critically with the understanding that it is not a purely objective publication.

Consistently though, youth report far better views of China than boomers.

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Not sure if this was posted before but another Pew Research survey.

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As always, read critically with the understanding that it is not a purely objective publication.

Consistently though, youth report far better views of China than boomers.

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Hmm what's going on in South Korea and Hungary? Do Hungary boomers have more communist nostalgia?
 
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re: "expat" population
Hasn't dropped enough.

re:what would you do.
tldr=I would stop over paying like a chump. Second, I would focus on the real talent: East Asians and some non psychopathic whites.

One of the key problems I have with Chinese foreign policy in general is excessive benevolence. It's wasteful overkill. The Global South can choose to deal with
1. racist genocidal Caucasian rapist invader thieves. - demons
2. Win win Chinese partners - angels

@RedBaron these next 3 paragraphs are relevant for you too. Going full eunuch would be doing even more of the retarded crap below.
The choice is obvious so why is China "sweetening the deal?" like giving free scholarships to unqualified people, pairing up African men with fuck buddies at colleges, giving "expats" superior dorms to live in, giving them cushy jobs like airplane pilot where no doubt they can exploit to plow through more Chinese girls, give anti China racists teaching positions at prestigious universities so they can brainwash the next generation with pro-oligarchy lies and molest / rape on the side according to Western humanist traditions, etc?

They act like total chumps. This is how you train people who view you as inferior subhumans. That's why that African diplomat had the nerve to lecture China when some Africans violated the coronavirus quarantine and the Chinese response was to appease these African criminals. The African diplomat accused China of "racist oppression" because those criminals violated laws. How can an African get away with this crap? Why does China appease these criminal parasites? What are they going to do if you told them to pound sand? Go back to getting gang raped and debt trapped by the imperial west? Excessive benevolence doesn't make you seem like a hero. It makes you target #1 for exploiters who see a chump.

Look at these African parasites who ripped up their passports to squat in China. Why aren't they all deported? You stateless? That's your problem. Face it, our culture is far too benevolent. It is retarded. The number of foreign trash are low as a percentage now, but you need to be vigilant. Singapore used to be great but is in danger of being overrun by Indian invaders.

re: talent

Recruiting talent from the Global South is mostly false hope. What talent? If the Global south had talent, they would recover on their own (see Japan, Korea, and China who went through an apocalypse and recovered fast) and wouldn't need handouts. The vast majority of the world's talent resides in only two places - East Asia and Europe (and the many places they invaded and stole). Whatever "global talent" China gets by overpaying like a chump could have been recruited locally one block away in a noodle shop for far less resources.

The primary job regarding talent should be to stop the outflow of China's talent instead of importing foreign trash, which represents the vast majority of "expats". sex predator tourists rebranded as passport bros, child rapists rebranded as esl "teachers", anti Asian racists, CIA terrorist psychopaths, zero-skill economic refugees, western propaganda "journalists", "executives" AKA economic thieves engaged in arbitrage while providing zero value to China, racist incels, ip intellectual property thieves, etc. It's retarded to bring in this trash. They're worthless parasites that hate us and exploit us.

As much I despise the white savage, they are strong in science so we should work with them on a case by case basis, but keep the best stuff to ourselves. The whole openness of China's AI research is another insanity to me. Whites are lying about wanting an open AGI for everyone. Look at "OPEN AI that promised open technology and non profit. Now, it's closed sources and for profit - mega profit. This would not be surprising to those who are NOT duped by western soft power. The West is a 100's of year long perpetual backstabber. That's who they are.

One final point
China and East Asians in general need to understand their enemy fully. Avoid getting duped. There will never be any win win cooperation. Ignore all their fake overtures of peace. They're just like Minsk agreements - a stalling tactic to buy time before attacking again. Whites are preparing for the final fight by racing towards agi first. Prepare for a show down. It's us or them. Like 9dashline says, prepare to pull the rug. They've already tried to do it to us repeatedly so stop the insane idea of showing mercy. Someone who tries repeatedly to kill you (siop, Tianamen Square "massacre", CIA coronavirus covid 19 biological weapon attack, etc) deserves to be pacified permanently so they can't threaten us or the world ever again. This is true from both from a moral standpoint and a practical standpoint. If you let them live, they WILL eventually destroy you. Go ask the First Nations people, whatever is left of them after the West's centuries long racist extermination campaigns. We're not going to end up like them.

@Index

Not comparable. Those are their citizens, which are different from racist sex tourists who China didn't need to appease. This is not about preemptive punishment. It's about keeping trash out.


I never made these claims. Yes, they are Santa Clausing, but I didn't say that's they are giving away their whole wealth nor did I say that's how they became wealthy. I elaborated on this near the top of this post.


I was referring to the general inability of many users to frame things properly with the correct language. It was triggered by your earlier post

I've never seen you refer to usa as using gunboat diplomacy or taking those named countries hostages even though that's exactly what the usa is doing. Yet, you use these words to describe an imaginary Chinese aggression. Do you see the problem now?


Read my initial reply to you. I wrote your (and it's not just you. there are many users on this forum) whose language is the product of western brainwashing. Then I listed a bunch of examples, some of which came from you.
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I mean this just reads as a Chinese version of a white supremacist rant.

What statistical proof do you have that immigrants are unskilled? In 1 sentence you complain they get better dorms (presumably because they pay more than locals who live a home), in another you accuse them of living in squalor and squatting by illegal immigration. So which is it?

You come off as those whiteys who want to outlaw "miscegenation" just because the existence of African cuck porn enrages them and you need to control "our" women. How do you reconcile the desire to remove immigrant-host country relationships with the fact that SEA and post Soviet women still make up the largest categories of interracial relationships in the country? Are we going to selectively ban non-Chinese men from having sex in China, like clown laughingstock states such as Israel? Do you think this actually works for Israel? Or what will be its effect on the attractiveness of China as a destination, including for those people that make up the majority of our immigrants?

Just because China for the moment has the advantage in national power does not mean it should engage in unproductive supremacist tactics. That is a road that leads down to Israelization, and you can see for yourself that a state based on hate and ultraconservatism is a poor fighter, even against purportedly weaker opponents.

Re: the topic of inevitable war with the US. Yes, the agreement, mainly so called "one China" is our version of Minsk. It was an unprecedented legitimation of US aggression, and represented bartering of sacred Chinese homeland for temporary peace and vastly reduced MAD risk. But in exchange, these agreements give us the time to rearm, not just militarily but also securing economic domination. With every year the agreements stay in place, China's position is improved. We're much better off in 2024 than in 2020 and better in 2020 than 2015 and so on.

I will not take back my rhetoric of using gunboat diplomacy against US or her satellite states. As the stronger power risking to get cut off from a profitable internal market in the US, it is China's right to use force to create an open door policy to the Americas. The anglos did not excuse any of their actions and in return, revenge must come.

But China must be smart about running it's influence zone, otherwise we become nothing more than Israelites, dreaming of revenge while committing petty crimes, as our country is slowly bled out by smarter adversaries and becomes an international pariah.
 
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