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Then Zhuhai 2024 happened. And now:
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He says

「Over the summer I saw the most rehearsal and the most joint exercises from the People's Republic of China that I'd ever seen, with the widest geography, the jointest operations for air, missile maritime , that I'd sjointest operations for air, missile maritime , that I'd seen career of being an observer,” he said. “And this included on one particular day 152 vessels at sea, including three-quarters of the amphibious force, 200 combat amphibious shapes in the water. I’d seen 43 brigades, including breaching obstacles’ onward movement to military operations in urban terrain.”
 

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Yes what they're not talking about is the huge black hole ahead for the West resulting from their weaponizing trade. JP Morgan wants Chinese financial transparency so they know where Chinese money is going. It's none of their business but people who are use to knowing, don't know now.
Were they caught offguard? Like in CN Gold trades etc?
 

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Chinese society has a very intense mindset and that has its pros and cons. The pro is that it really drives us to be the best that we can be; we always want to be better than each other so we consistently push each other to new heights. The con is that we are way overstressed and we don't find happiness in our achievments because we always want more.

The economy of the entire world is in a downturn. In China, we are not going as strong as before but we are going way stronger than anyone else, particularly Western economies. However, there is a spat of dissatisfaction in China. The most common complaint is that college and graduate school grads can't get good jobs; they have to do restaurant work. My wife told me that that is really pissing people off and making them feel let down because the Chinese mentality finds it absolutely insulting and ludicrous to be a blue collar worker after a college education; it's to a point where they'd rather do nothing than the common work they see as demeaning. I heard this and growing up in the US, that didn't sound bad at all. I told her that the waiters at the restaurants we eat at are almost all college-educated. The people loading shelves at the supermarket (legal workers only) are mostly college-educated. Doordash/Uber drivers (non-immigrants) are mostly college-educated. I went to get a Checkers Burger the other day; the cashier who struggled to figure out that the buy-one-get-one-for-$1 deal means that I ordered 2, was wearing a jersey from Howard University. These people accept that college is just a normal phase of life and afterwards, you may enter the workforce at any level. This is a developed country without the competitive fervor of Chinese society.

Chinese people are still engrained with the old thought that going to college or grad school means a white collar job. That was true decades ago because very few people could go to college, but as China's college attendance skyrocketted, the there are now way more college grads than white collar jobs. (At least) one of 2 things needs to happen. Either Chinese people come to the realization that most people are going to college so that is not an automatic qualification for a white collar job so they should accept the new norm of blue-collared college grads... or we need to truly evolve into a robotic-heavy society where almost all blue collared labor is taken by machines and every person gets to be at least at the level of machine manager (which represents a white collared job). The latter would represent incredible growth into a vastly wealthy society but it's a long-haul goal. The former will likely have to be accepted first.

They said that about China, but China pulled itself out with its talent. It was assumed to be true that we were not very talented until we proved it wrong.

I agree with you that there are likely people with talent on an individual level in the global south; they have the genetic talents to become stars if they were given the oppertunities for proper education and training. But that is most often not the case in the global south, so finding these talents at a young enough age to be able to train then is almost impossible. While a hyper-talent born in Ghana might have had the genetics to become a renowned global expert on computer engineering had he been trained from youth, instead, he's likely to just own a computer fixing shop in his city because he never had the chance to develop his skills as a student because there was no mechanism to discover or train him at that age.

And the reason that the global south has not developed an education system that can find and develop these talents is because their talent is too few to collectively rise from a low level as China did.
I don't know where you live but I'm sure you've heard the cliche that China can't innovate and that everything it manufactures is because it copied from the west. Basically insinuating that the Chinese aren't intelligent enough to create anything on their own without copying.

A country's development (or lack thereof) has almost nothing to do with "talent" or intelligence, every country has talent, it has everything to do with a country's value system and where they place those values. Many of us went to schools in the west and are familiar with how intelligent students from the global south are. The reason the global south hasn't developed an educational system that can find and develop talent is not because the talent is too few but because the economies can't sufficiently absorb them into proper dignified work.
 
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Lol, I'd like to know which countries have negative growth right now and are all hunky dory?

Barring the hyperbole though, knife and car attacks are perhaps nothing new in China sadly, yet it is very concerning to see three in such short succession and producing as many casualties when before these attacks usually just result in wounded with minimal dead.

Its a given that the economy is having a bit of a hard time, but I do think some self-criticism is warranted in this case mostly with how broadly East Asian culture would make people lash out more severely when times are hard. Yes, compared to Western nations citizens of China, Japan, and Korea are more disciplined and thus follow rules more, have lower levels of street crime, and are more orderly.

But the flipside is East Asian countries are essentially pressure cooker cultures, where hypercompetition is promoted, emphasis is put on face, extreme judgmentalalism and classism is rife, mental health is stigmatized, tolerance for failure is practically nonexistent, and where most working class jobs are low paying and considered dirty work reserved for migrants. People are disciplined, but are also conditioned to bottle up whatever emotional problems they might have. In Korea and Japan, many people collapse under the pressure and off themselves, and in China nowadays it seems people who let their emotions get the better of them just let it explode into violence.

Its not like the government is unaware of this, but as the saying goes old habits die hard. (Which is why its so ridiculous to claim the CR destroyed Chinese culture.) When they banned private tutoring and beseached parents to let their kids have more free time, Chinese parents simply went underground to seek private tutors for their kids. When they banned 996, companies simply skirted the ban by cutting base salaries and incentivizing people to work overtime, as well as dangling the lay off list over the heads of every employee if they thought twice about work life balance.

The government can protect the public from future attacks by hiring more police and if necessary increasing surveillance, but on top of the economy getting back on track again some changes will needed to be made by the Chinese people themselves to decrease the pressure everyone is under.
China is much more diverse than Japan and South Korea due to geographic scale and speed of development. Life of a rural or small city post 90s/00s Chinese is 100x different than an global urban post 70s/80s. The post 70s/80s just missed out on the radical reforms, so they have no comparison to pre-reform times. But they do have comparison to developed countries. And they grew up when the gap was the biggest - military conflict was over so they never saw China's wins, but the economic gap was huge so they only saw China's disadvantages. And their parents, who had tons of time as they were the professionals with urban hukou, gave them tons of pressure to follow in their footsteps - even positive pressure like just giving them stuff for free is a form of pressure, as it will need to be repaid in the end. So when they had kids, born in late 90s and early 2000s, they instilled the same values in them.

Post 90s/00s, especially rural and small urban, on the other hand have only known a rising China and have personally seen their own lives get far better. When they graduated in the 2010s they had access to relatively high paying blue collar jobs that were safer than ever, cheap smartphones, digitization, etc. And with parents that were out working, there isn't much pressure except towards oneself.

Minds do not change in general. It takes conscious effort to absorb new information and change ones preconceived notions. What changes social attitudes is the aging out of those who hold 1 view and their replacement by those who hold newer views.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Not sure if this was posted before but another Pew Research survey.

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As always, read critically with the understanding that it is not a purely objective publication.

Consistently though, youth report far better views of China than boomers.

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coolgod

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Not sure if this was posted before but another Pew Research survey.

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As always, read critically with the understanding that it is not a purely objective publication.

Consistently though, youth report far better views of China than boomers.

pg_2024.07.09_global-views-china-2024_1_03.png
Hmm what's going on in South Korea and Hungary? Do Hungary boomers have more communist nostalgia?
 
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