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iewgnem

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Lol! The founder, Mr Dyson is extremely protective of his IP. He was quite active at suing manufactures and rivals around the world. He was very distrustful of China, thus making a conscious decision not to setup manufacturing in China. Back in 2011, he was already accusing Chinese STEM students in the UK for spying. So for someone as nasty as Mr Dyson, I don't have too much sympathies for him. Plus he is a Brit, whom I have a particular dislike due to some historical reasons.

Although Chinese firms and people got most of the blame for knock-offs and tech thefts from Dyson, they were far from the only ones doing it. Companies from the US, South Korea, and Germany were just as aggressive at trying to steal his tech. There was a case where Dyson accused a Chinese engineer who worked on electric motors for Dyson of passing sensitive technology to Bosch. So all of this shit is everywhere, not just China.

Luckily for Dyson, his products are quite premium, and are relatively innovative for now. But if he spends too much time and money on lawsuits and IP protection, his competitors and the "Chinese knock-offs" are gonna eventually catch up.
The idea that Dyson has "technology" or is "premium" is a joke in the engineering world.
 

supersnoop

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Lol! The founder, Mr Dyson is extremely protective of his IP. He was quite active at suing manufactures and rivals around the world. He was very distrustful of China, thus making a conscious decision not to setup manufacturing in China. Back in 2011, he was already accusing Chinese STEM students in the UK for spying. So for someone as nasty as Mr Dyson, I don't have too much sympathies for him. Plus he is a Brit, whom I have a particular dislike due to some historical reasons.

Although Chinese firms and people got most of the blame for knock-offs and tech thefts from Dyson, they were far from the only ones doing it. Companies from the US, South Korea, and Germany were just as aggressive at trying to steal his tech. There was a case where Dyson accused a Chinese engineer who worked on electric motors for Dyson of passing sensitive technology to Bosch. So all of this shit is everywhere, not just China.

Luckily for Dyson, his products are quite premium, and are relatively innovative for now. But if he spends too much time and money on lawsuits and IP protection, his competitors and the "Chinese knock-offs" are gonna eventually catch up.
His company's innovation is starting to slow down.
WashG1 is a knockoff of the Chinese cordless mop-vacs. It was launched as a response to the failure of the Submarine (which was roundly panned as inferior to even the cheapest mop vacs on Amazon)
His robovacs are considered jokes (no mopping, no autoempty bin, high price)
His most successful recent forays beauty products.
 

supersnoop

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Interesting fact
With all the convictions of institutional money laundering - TD Bank, HSBC, Binance
Only Zhao went to jail

Similarly Abacus Bank, a small NY Chinatown bank, was the only one charged by US authorities in the 2008 financial crisis
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Re: Abacus, let's not forget that Cyrus Vance Jr. is basically a corrupt POS
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Sardaukar20

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I find the JH mentality 'relatable' if I imagine that the cultural revolution never ended and persisted to this day
The Cultural Revolution was not the brightest spot in Chinese modern history. However, at that time, the Chinese could stand up to the Soviets at the border, achieve multi-megaton thermonuclear nukes, and launch its first satellite. Western and Soviet technical help was absent during those times. The PLAN had also defeated the slightly more modern South Vietnamese Navy at the Paracel Islands in 1974. So the Cultural Revolution era China was still a much more formidable power than India ever was.

If we consider the Modi era as India's equivalent of the Cultural Revolution, then LoL! Their military have been an embarrassment. Their technological progress is not impressive. Add to this, the Jai Hinds had access to all the international help that they can get. Considering that other third world nations have achieved more with much less international help, then the Modi era is truly an embarrassing period in Indian history.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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I find the JH mentality 'relatable' if I imagine that the cultural revolution never ended and persisted to this day
totally disagree. During the Cultural Revolution era China almost doubled life expectancy and literacy, adult mortality dropped to near 0, helped the total defeat of foreign forces in Vietnam, built a space program and strategic weapons, defeated the Taiwanese blockade on Chinese ports and militarily retook Zhenbao island from the Soviets.

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what did JH do?
 

valysre

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totally disagree. During the Cultural Revolution era China almost doubled life expectancy and literacy, adult mortality dropped to near 0, helped the total defeat of foreign forces in Vietnam, built a space program and strategic weapons, defeated the Taiwanese blockade on Chinese ports and militarily retook Zhenbao island from the Soviets.

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what did JH do?
I think the key difference between JH and CR is that the CR had people trying to achieve concrete objectives (ideological and material), while JH doesn't have concrete objectives and mostly just revolves around "Supapowah India Stronk" rhetoric.
 

Sardaukar20

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The idea that Dyson has "technology" or is "premium" is a joke in the engineering world.
Dyson's "technology" was innovative in a sense that he took technology from the professional world and adopted it into the consumer world. For example, his cyclonic vacuum cleaner technology was adopted from cyclonic filters in the sawdust industry and large exhaust systems. That he should get some credit. But he was also selfish, and wanted to monopolize the technology indefinitely, hence his obsession about protecting his IP. As a result, he had clung on for too long on his existing technology, and didn't innovate that much since his cyclonic vacuum cleaner and air multiplier. His cyclonic vacuum technology is no longer exclusive, and his air multiplier technology didn't evolve much since. So he tried to push his products to the premium market. He had failed to capture the mass market despite being a pioneer during his time. Had he done so, his company would have become a proper household brand.

Chinese companies have also adopted technologies from the professional world to the consumer world. For example, brushless DC motors, and consumer drones. But unlike Dyson, they had also successfully captured the mass market. While they had also applied for IPs, they were also not overly obsessed about protecting and monopolizing their technology. If someone from the West copies DJI technology, its not like DJI is gonna win lawsuits in Western courts. So its just better overall to focus on mass selling the current technology, while also innovating to stay ahead of the competition.
 

iewgnem

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Dyson's "technology" was innovative in a sense that he took technology from the professional world and adopted it into the consumer world. For example, his cyclonic vacuum cleaner technology was adopted from cyclonic filters in the sawdust industry and large exhaust systems. That he should get some credit. But he was also selfish, and wanted to monopolize the technology indefinitely, hence his obsession about protecting his IP. As a result, he had clung on for too long on his existing technology, and didn't innovate that much since his cyclonic vacuum cleaner and air multiplier. His cyclonic vacuum technology is no longer exclusive, and his air multiplier technology didn't evolve much since. So he tried to push his products to the premium market. He had failed to capture the mass market despite being a pioneer during his time. Had he done so, his company would have become a proper household brand.

Chinese companies have also adopted technologies from the professional world to the consumer world. For example, brushless DC motors, and consumer drones. But unlike Dyson, they had also successfully captured the mass market. While they had also applied for IPs, they were also not overly obsessed about protecting and monopolizing their technology. If someone from the West copies DJI technology, its not like DJI is gonna win lawsuits in Western courts. So its just better overall to focus on mass selling the current technology, while also innovating to stay ahead of the competition.
Using existing industrial technology in consumer products isn't innovation, it's just product development and marketing. My observation is the less people are able to innovate, the more they obsess over protecting their IP.
 
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