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ansy1968

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Throwing out India is long overdue. The first step is de-dollarization but that is jeapardized by having snakes like India

I also believe china's passive approach is due to the fact that they want to ensure de-dollarization and solving food security before going aggressive

China knows that whatever vulnerability it has. It needs to be dealt in their passive phase.

BRICS pay is an important step towards it

India can enjoy their dollars
The world had finally had a choice, who will they pick?

Aggressive = US

Passive = Chinese

It is never in Chinese behavior and character to be aggressive, because we are confident of ourselves, it is a chauvinistic thing which the Chinese are well known for...lol
 

sheogorath

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Their own paper explains why: Chinese students don't get kicked out after year 2 if they're doing poorly while US, Russian and Indian students do.

Note that in the US, according to their own data, there's no gain in critical thinking in years 1 and 2, which are weedout years.

So by their standards, a country where 90% of students don't fail, is worse than a country where 90% of students fail but the 10% that pass are good.

US college graduation rates are 63% overall. And that's for 6 years.

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US CS graduation rates are 65% at a representative average school ranked ~100.

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So basically US numbers are only comparable if you drop the lowest 1/3 of Chinese scores since Chinese universities rarely force students to leave.

That somehow makes how stupid US college graduates are, even more damning. Guess it also reinforces the whole "meritocracy" mentality of "fuck you, I've got mine" that permeates american society.
 

GZDRefugee

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Dude, the west isn't fucking stupid nor weak, Canada and the US are really rich in energy. Just because they can't compete on cost/scale doesn't mean they can't do it.
It's not about intelligence or strength. How are they going to scrounge up the funds and get the land rights to double their power grid just to replace the gallium they source from China? Afterwards, what are they going to do with the aluminum that gallium is derived from? This complete restructuring of their supply chain is going to make them lose a lot of money and that is absolutely unacceptable to capitalists.
What's your point here? that its easier to be successful in China than Canada?
Yes. My extended family in China has seen an obvious increase in quality of life while my direct family in Canada has not significantly improved theirs since they first arrived.
 

Randomuser

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Look at the confidence this Jai hind is speaking with. India Supapawa.

He says the indian response is always disproportionate. What was India's response to Pakistan killing 100s of their soldiers via proxies?? Nothing. Sit back and cry
All these blowhards can only talk after they retire from the army. They don't say stuff when they are still in because they actually have to deal with the consequences for it.
 

GZDRefugee

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You're wrong. Without psychology, Game Theory cannot create cause and effect. Without cause and effect, the mathematical models break down. Human factor is always the wild card. You can create whatever mathematical or theory, but if the human factor doesn't comply, it doesn't work. China doesn't need nor want follow the Game Theory by the letter. China prefers to use the Art of War.
Not seeing it. Ideology is always trumped by dialectic material analysis. The opinions and feeling of fleshbags do not ultimately matter in the grand scheme of things.

Interestingly, the PLA references von Clausewitz more than Sun Zi these days.
You were angry about the CPC's lack of tit-for-tat measures. You've said you wanted tit-for-tat for the sake of fulfilling your Game Theory. Yet you bring up examples of China doing strategic retaliation. You're starting to argue against yourself.
Equivalent tit-for-tat is very different from tit-for-tat. The same industry in different countries will have different valuations. Therefore a mirror approach to tariffs will not reach equivalence.
No they are not. There are always ways to go around the sanctions. Pompeo cannot do any business with China, directly or indirectly. You think he cares? His business is with the anti-China lobbies. If they want to somehow do business with China, they can always use proxies for him. What is Pompeo's weight right now doesn't concern me. Maybe he went on a diet plan. Maybe he started working out more with his free time. You really believe that his people will let him starve?

Baerbock won't care about doing business in China. And if JP Morgan still wants to take her money and still do business with China, just appoint a proxy. It's all P&C anyway. Or use other financial schemes to do it. Bankers are specialists at doing this.
Tell that to Carrie Lam who has to pile cash in her home because no banks will touch her money with a ten foot pole.
A competent West won't be throwing tariffs and sanctions around like candy. They will continue with business as usual and continue to sell their high-tech and luxury goods to China. Then China's own high-tech industry will have no incentive to become globally competitive, and the Chinese people will chase ever more extravagant Western luxury goods. This is a surefire way for China to fall into the Middle Income Trap. Which is what the China haters wet dream about. Xi Jinping was working hard to steer China away from that Middle Income Trap with his Made In China 2025 plan. And the trade wars launched by West only made his work that much easier.
I don't see ASML selling EUV litho machines to China anytime soon. I also think Gucci bags selling for $20,000 when something of equivalent quality can be made for $20 in a Chinese factory is incredibly stupid. This mentally colonized attitude is absolutely a disgrace, I agree. Ideally Chinese people should have the hunger to challenge the global status quo of their own volition. That revolutionary spirit has since died with Mao.
You have such a big family in China. What cities and provinces did they reside in?

You like to talk alot about the boomers, and no, boomers alone are not a representation of the population. You've brought up that rampant unemployment story. Those were primarily not from the boomer generation, but the post-Covid graduate generation. I'm sensing some inconsistencies here with your Chinese people story.

Again I say that China's golden years of fast growth and free-flowing business have ended, and so is the rest of the world. People complaining about their government when things are down is normal. But is there rampant inflation in China right now? Is there rampant homelessness? Is there rampant drug use? Are there even more beggars everywhere? Is there rampant crime? Do you see new slums popping up? Because it's all there in the West and India, the very folks who launched the trade wars with China. So whenever you think the CPC is not doing enough, think deeper.

You said that the CPC is not doing enough to hit back at the West and India. I said that they are doing it. But not in the most obvious ways, and what they do is more strategic. You applauded China for imposing rare earth and gallium export restrictions on the West. That is an example of them proving my point. So why are you running around telling me that you and your Chinese people are so angry that the CPC didn't do tit-for-tat with the West then? What is your position really? You can't be waffling about just for arguments sake.
I have extended family who are highly educated but cannot find jobs, gainfully employed but struggling to buy houses, had their businesses close down, even forced to move out of cities.
Yes the boom years are over. This malaise may very well become a feedback loop. Something must be done to restore faith in the domestic market without allowing capitalism and consumerism to spread their corruption further.

Gallium and germanium export restrictions is a step in the right direction but not significant enough to make the west scream. A mere reduction gives the west time to stockpile and adjust. Ideally gallium, germanium, neodymium, samarium, and tungsten should have been cut off cold turkey with no warning.
 

Sardaukar20

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Not seeing it. Ideology is always trumped by dialectic material analysis. The opinions and feeling of fleshbags do not ultimately matter in the grand scheme of things.
Sounds like Isaac Azimov's "psychohistory". I would advise not to read too much into it. It is still science fiction. In history, the human factor is always important.

Interestingly, the PLA references von Clausewitz more than Sun Zi these days.
That is a good thing. The PLA is updating their knowledge, and not just sticking to dogmatic thinking like the West.

Equivalent tit-for-tat is very different from tit-for-tat. The same industry in different countries will have different valuations. Therefore a mirror approach to tariffs will not reach equivalence.
Yes. That is why China and others have to tailor their strategies when hitting back at the West.

Tell that to Carrie Lam who has to pile cash in her home because no banks will touch her money with a ten foot pole.
LoL! How did you know that her house had piles of cash? In any case, she can always put her money in Chinese banks or Western banks by proxy.

I don't see ASML selling EUV litho machines to China anytime soon.
Well soon, ASML won't be selling high-end DUV litho machines to China too. But at what cost?
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Short term wise, this litho machine trade restriction will bottleneck China's semiconductor industry. But in the longer term, the Chinese will eventually find a way to break that bottleneck. They are messing with a nation who can build their own Space Station after being denied entry to the ISS. Let them suffer for eternally for that.

I also think Gucci bags selling for $20,000 when something of equivalent quality can be made for $20 in a Chinese factory is incredibly stupid. This mentally colonized attitude is absolutely a disgrace, I agree. Ideally Chinese people should have the hunger to challenge the global status quo of their own volition. That revolutionary spirit has since died with Mao.
Yes. All that happy trading days with the West had created an obsession with Western luxury products. Still, the trade wars and Anglo-led Sinophobia wave had toned that down. But its still there, and still very pervasive in China. There is still much more work to be done.

Yes the boom years are over. This malaise may very well become a feedback loop. Something must be done to restore faith in the domestic market without allowing capitalism and consumerism to spread their corruption further.
The Chinese government is working hard to transform the economy, setting up new engines of growth, so that a new boom time could come, but this time on China's terms. This is a very painful period of adjustments. People have to be patient and change some of their old ways of doing business. So the CPC is using propaganda (in a good way) to rally the people and lighten the mood. Nevertheless, propaganda doesn't always work, so we'll still hear disgruntled voices.

Compare this to the West blaring MAGA, Garden, and Peter Zeihan propaganda 24-7. Or India blaring Jai Hind and China sux propaganda everyday. They are using propaganda to hide the problems in their country. Problems that they just don't care to fix.

Gallium and germanium export restrictions is a step in the right direction but not significant enough to make the west scream. A mere reduction gives the west time to stockpile and adjust. Ideally gallium, germanium, neodymium, samarium, and tungsten should have been cut off cold turkey with no warning.
We have to be careful about that. Cutting off swathes of material supplies cold turkey is not necessarily a good thing. The West had done that, and now their reputation as reliable suppliers have been hit.

If China suddenly cuts off large amounts of rare earth metal supplies to the West, it would create two major problems. First, China's reputation as THE go-to supplier of rare earth metals will be impacted, even if those supply bans were justified. Second, the West will embark on a crash course to build up their own alternative industry to supply themselves with rare earth metals. Off course, one could argue that the West is doing this now anyways. But should China force their hands now, it'll become a do-or-die situation, and they'll do it with utmost urgency. Because the West have plenty of ore in North America and Australia, and they have the know-how to refine them into rare earth metals. Its just that they haven't had the incentive to build up the capacity to match China's production scale yet. So if China wants to put export restrictions on its rare earth metals, it has to do it selectively, and strategically. So as to give tangible impact, but also not rock the boat too much that the West is forced to become a competitive alternative in the rare earths market.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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