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I was wondering why we're not hearing more about this event. It's because they didn't invite the press. Elon is doing what the likes of Google, Mark Zuckerberg, and the people behind AI are doing. They want everyone to bet and buy stock on a dream where they claim this or that of the future from this or that technology just to get people to invest into their companies. That's why they promise certain products but in the end it doesn't happen. That's what they say is wrong with Silicon Valley these days. Their primary goal is just to get money not making a product. That's why Elon put on this event that that seemed to not live up the hype of what was expected according some who were there. He had to show something just to keep the dream alive... and the money coming in.
 
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Looks like we all got Mooned again lol
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I mean, it shouldn't be surprising considering the scams of the The Boring Company, Hyperloop and Twitter. At this point I think SpaceX only does well because it basically runs itself despite Musk, not because of him and he probably doesn't have as much direct involvement as he does in Tesla or Twitter.

Arij Javaid said:
I don't even know what they mean by western values?
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Probably letting cockroaches crawl over him on live streams, getting scurvy and wiping the blood from his gums on the walls of his room or using a dead rat as an alarm clock.
 
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Another way you can see it is that India has already lebensraumed it's surroundings to the point where you think of their hordes of starved and oppressed people as "themselves", while Palestinians are still free enough to be widely seen as their own distinct entity.

Israel is like nazi Germany in 1936. It feels powerful and it feels like it's doing a lot of damage because it's small and as such doesn't suffer from administrative overreach.

India is like nazi Germany if they had won the war and moved their borders to the A-A line. They look like they're sitting on their asses and doing nothing, because they're so big they can't effectively rule themselves. But they have already inflicted immense damage and are continuing to do it every day just by existing.
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I would argue that India is actually more akin to Mussolini's Fascist Italy in 1936 than Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany in 1936 had endured decades of hardship and bullying by the former Allied Powers of WWI, and had loss territories from the Former German Empire. Fascist Italy in 1936 was in a much better position, thanks to its former role as part of the Allies of WWI. It even retained sizable colonies in Africa by 1936.

While both Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were racist and nasty, what differentiates them both is competence. In WW2, Nazi Germany was an industrial and military powerhouse. Able to defeat mainland Western Europe, and wage a nasty genocidal war with Eastern Europe and the Soviets. While Fascist Italy's story in WWII was mostly about following Nazi Germany's lead, humiliating defeats, and easy capitulation to the Allies. Fascist Italy invaded the British North African colonies and got their ass soundly whooped. It was so bad, that they had to beg for Germany to send in their Afrika Korps to help save their asses. When the Allies invaded Italy in 1943, the Fascist Italian government collapsed only weeks after that. Months after that, Italy surrendered and defected to the Allies. In order to prevent a complete Italian defection, Nazi Germany invaded and occupied Northern Italy, and took control of the remnants of the Fascist Italian military. Only then the Italian Front became locked in a stalemate until Nazi Germany finally fell.

So I would argue that Hindutva India today is more akin to a lousy version of Fascist Italy. While the Nazi Germany of today could possibly be Israel, ironically. The Israeli military is far more competent compared to that Supapowar military. Despite the IDF mostly fighting with poor Arab forces, I can bet that those same Arab forces could whoop the asses of Indian Army Jawans anytime. If India somehow dares to militarily intervene in the Middle East, it could easily become a humiliating experience. When the Israeli Airforce bombs its enemies, it can really hits where it hurts. The Indian Airforce likes to play pretend as the Israeli Airforce, its most recent bombing mission destroyed trees in a forest with guided bombs purchased from Israel. Israeli weaponry and combat training are in high demand. While Indian weaponry are less in demand than weapons from Pakistan or North Korea. So to me, India is not akin to a Nazi Germany of today, but a Fascist Italy.
 
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Sardaukar20 said:
Nazi Germany in 1936 had endured decades of hardship and bullying by the former Allied Powers of WWI, and had loss territories from the Former German Empire.
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Honestly I think this part is a bit overstated in general and, as kids say these days, skill issue. The Brest-Litovsk treaty imposed on the Soviets was far more punishing and humilliating, and they also got occupied by France, UK, US, Japan and Poland. Still managed to become an industrial behemoth with an actual functioning economy instead of the Potemkin village that was the Nazi economy of the 30's
 
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sheogorath said:
Honestly I think this part is a bit overstated in general and, as kids say these days, skill issue. The Brest-Litovsk treaty imposed on the Soviets was far more punishing and humilliating, and they also got occupied by France, UK, US, Japan and Poland. Still managed to become an industrial behemoth with an actual functioning economy instead of the Potemkin village that was the Nazi economy of the 30's
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Brest-Litovsk was harsh, but that treaty was signed months before WWI ended. When it ended, the war reparations to Germany part was annulled. Yes, the Soviet had to go through the Russian Civil War against the collective West and some wars of reconquest, that was where the Soviets showed their competence.

Nazi Germany was far from a pathetic nation in the 1930s. It didn't have a vibrant civilian economy, but it did build a powerful industrial war economy. A much better industrial war economy than Fascist Italy. Among the major Axis powers, Nazi Germany was the only one who was a previously defeated nation in WWI, put under the pressure of the Armistice. While Fascist Italy and Imperial Japan were both previous victors in WWI. Despite that, it was able to rebuild itself in the 1930s and cause the damage that it did in WWII. That was why Nazi Germany became the 'role model' for global fascism.
 
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Sardaukar20 said:
I would argue that India is actually more akin to Mussolini's Fascist Italy in 1936 than Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany in 1936 had endured decades of hardship and bullying by the former Allied Powers of WWI, and had loss territories from the Former German Empire. Fascist Italy in 1936 was in a much better position, thanks to its former role as part of the Allies of WWI. It even retained sizable colonies in Africa by 1936.

While both Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were racist and nasty, what differentiates them both is competence. In WW2, Nazi Germany was an industrial and military powerhouse. Able to defeat mainland Western Europe, and wage a nasty genocidal war with Eastern Europe and the Soviets. While Fascist Italy's story in WWII was mostly about following Nazi Germany's lead, humiliating defeats, and easy capitulation to the Allies. Fascist Italy invaded the British North African colonies and got their ass soundly whooped. It was so bad, that they had to beg for Germany to send in their Afrika Korps to help save their asses. When the Allies invaded Italy in 1943, the Fascist Italian government collapsed only weeks after that. Months after that, Italy surrendered and defected to the Allies. In order to prevent a complete Italian defection, Nazi Germany invaded and occupied Northern Italy, and took control of the remnants of the Fascist Italian military. Only then the Italian Front became locked in a stalemate until Nazi Germany finally fell.

So I would argue that Hindutva India today is more akin to a lousy version of Fascist Italy. While the Nazi Germany of today could possibly be Israel, ironically. The Israeli military is far more competent compared to that Supapowar military. Despite the IDF mostly fighting with poor Arab forces, I can bet that those same Arab forces could whoop the asses of Indian Army Jawans anytime. If India somehow dares to militarily intervene in the Middle East, it could easily become a humiliating experience. When the Israeli Airforce bombs its enemies, it can really hits where it hurts. The Indian Airforce likes to play pretend as the Israeli Airforce, its most recent bombing mission destroyed trees in a forest with guided bombs purchased from Israel. Israeli weaponry and combat training are in high demand. While Indian weaponry are less in demand than weapons from Pakistan or North Korea. So to me, India is not akin to a Nazi Germany of today, but a Fascist Italy.
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India couldn't establish deterrence among any of its neighbors and it dreams of becoming a superpower
 
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"It has also helped Southeast Asian countries to modernize their militaries and deepen ties with countries pursuing similar security goals.

However, some Asia regional analysts warn that any further attempt to intensify US efforts in the contested waters could agitate regional partners, trigger China's ire, and backfire on the US and its partners.

"The last thing that any Southeast Asian country wants is for this to spill over into an active conflict," Bill Hayton, an associate fellow with Chatham House's Asia-Pacific program, told Business Insider."

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