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horse said:

Yeah, their propaganda is spinning out of control.

Even in the financial markets, the last couple of days, it has been really really weird.

The American media still tows the party line in regards to the Chinese stock market, when everything has changed in terms of policy, and what a rally so far.

If they do not believe in the policy changes, that is one thing, but to say the stock market does not like it, when it is going up like that, that is just make believe.

The American propaganda is no longer connected to reality. Not even loosely connected.

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I guess they do not have the resources anymore to combat everything. US is getting hit from every angle repeatedly and simultaneously. The propaganda they've been producing for the past several years, you can tell easily, is spontaneous without much thought put it into it. That's why it is easily caught and refuted.

You may be surprised to know that one of the groups who want the downfall of Western civilization are the ones who control most of the West today - Zionist Jews. Their religious texts are full of contempt for the Christians, the West is interpreted as the biblical Edom, and they want revenge for 2000 years of persecution.

Engineer said:

52. Canada is basically the 51st state.

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how about UK or England ? or Japan or Australia ?

Chevalier said:

Looking at images of the Israeli bombings of Lebanon and Palestine, be reminded that this was what the Japanese perpetrated to Chinese people of the 30s and 40s.

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Yes. China suffered alone in the 30s. Support only came when Japan picked on the Western powers and kicked off the broader WW2. Nobody else really cared about China's suffering until Japan came after them.

It's still the same thing today. Israel will be left alone to do whatever they please, as long as they keep things in Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria. The only way for things to change is if Israel starts a proper war with Iran or the other Middle Eastern neighbours. I don't think that is likely to happen, but who knows, the Zionists are getting more unhinged by the day.

horse said:

Yeah, their propaganda is spinning out of control.

Even in the financial markets, the last couple of days, it has been really really weird.

The American media still tows the party line in regards to the Chinese stock market, when everything has changed in terms of policy, and what a rally so far.

If they do not believe in the policy changes, that is one thing, but to say the stock market does not like it, when it is going up like that, that is just make believe.

The American propaganda is no longer connected to reality. Not even loosely connected.

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American propaganda have always been lies. It's just that in the current age of the internet, people can fact check them. Even the push back against American propaganda is a relatively recent thing.

For this case, it's sometimes a good thing that the Western media continues to doubt and lie about them. It allows China to surprise them time and time again. They thought that China's shipbuilding is a pale imitation to South Korea. Now, China's shipbuilding scale scares the living crap out of them. They can put out an entire Royal Navy's worth of ships within a year. Let them continue to peddle lies, while China builds more ships.

Sardaukar20 said:

American propaganda have always been lies. It's just that in the current age of the internet, people can fact check them. Even the push back against American propaganda is a relatively recent thing.

For this case, it's sometimes a good thing that the Western media continues to doubt and lie about them. It allows China to surprise them time and time again. They thought that China's shipbuilding is a pale imitation to South Korea. Now, China's shipbuilding scale scares the living crap out of them. They can put out an entire Royal Navy's worth of ships within a year. Let them continue to peddle lies, while China builds more ships.

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It’s not quite that simple. The American national motto used to be ‘fake it until you make it’, where reality was suspended a little to make them seem more powerful than they were. But they weren’t far off that power level, and was advancing so it was only a matter of time until they attained that level, so never got found out.

The problem today is that America is no longer on an ascending trajectory, but a descending one. Thus the motto has been forcibly changed to ‘fake it until you get found out, at which point lie and spin and distract to mindhole it and move on asap’.

Thus rather than being a useful tool to cow the competition and win extremely close races, America’s propensity for lying is only putting itself in deeper denial about the state of its decline and avoiding doing the hard work of trying to arrest that fall.

This is both a gift and a threat to China. It’s a gift because America is making it much easier for China to surpass it. It is a threat because America doesn’t and couldn’t recognise how much the power balance has changed, and may start a war it cannot win thinking it will be a cake walk and then be forced to turn to nukes when they get spanked completely in the conventional fight.

Yes now you know why "data" is so important these days to the West. They want it all and they want to deny it to others. They don't want others to be able to do what they use it for. To the extreme... knowing what products are being purchased and planting explosives to kill the people they're targeting with them all in a supply chain that they control. The West uses this data to their own advantage. Where's oil coming from and going where to how many and what crops they should be growing. China cancelled most of its wheat orders from the US but China is getting wheat from somewhere they don't know except it probably Russia since both countries aren't using the dollar for transactions between the two. You already see the US demand allies give them all the data on what they sell and ship to China. You see the EU demanding that China give them data of its companies if China doesn't want their products be slapped with tariffs under the guise of preventing illegal subsidies and you bet next if it was made in a region of China where they can accuse slave labor. Don't be surprised in the near future where the West demands everything shipped in the world and all it's data has to be put into a data base that they control under the guise of preventing terrorism that their ally Israel committed opening that Pandora's Box to why they need it to prevent it.

The West mocks what countries are members or applying to be members of BRICS simply because they're not them. Yeah but they get paranoid at anything where they're not the ones in control. There's a conspiracy against them around every corner. That alone justifies the value of BRICS. There's a YouTuber who's anti-Chinese I recently saw posting one of his videos. He has a rather large following in the hundreds of thousands. Well this video was all about accusing China of being behind DEI in the West. And what did he point to how? Sweet Baby Inc, the gaming consulting company, is accused of ruining the game industry with its woke agenda. Sweet Baby Inc. is a Canadian company. He used that video of Xi Jinping scolding Justin Trudeau for revealing publicly information conducted in private meetings between the two countries. That's how Canada and China are behind DEI and conspiring against the US. That's how paranoid Americans are that they think Canada is also against them.

That's what I want to see in this world where the US and the West has become irrelevant in the conversations of the world. If they want to be a part of the conversation, they're the ones that have to bend over backward. Is there anything wrong with wanting that where no violence is advocated? Yes I know there are Chinese who do see that as wrong because they're the typical Chinese where it all has to do with wanting to ultimately be accepted by the US and the West. They want to do that to China. That's why I know that it will work against them. Is there a crime to not to include the US and the West? Is it advocating war? No, there's nothing wrong with it especially since they want to do that to China. Their only answer where they will feel like they're in control is where they end up looking like the evil in the world.

When I saw on the news that Netanyahu was a the UN doing a speech, the news never mentioned anything about the walkout. I bet China wasn't one of them when they should've been in response, to the least, for the intentional bombing around Chinese UN Peacekeepers. If China did that, you think the US and the West wouldn't be crying about how irresponsible and dangerous that was where innocent people could be killed...?

Minm said:

People are an expendable resource from the point of view of nations. Sure, the exchange is better for Israel.

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Way way better for Israel. If you mentioned that people are an expendable resource to make Hezbollah/Hamas' losses look less important, then you'd also have to consider that everyone barely put a scratch on Israel at all.

Minm said:

But over the last 12 months Iran has improved its position in the region

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How the hell do you figure that? They've gotten their leaders and politicians assassinated left and right. They've shown the world that if Israel wants anybody dead in Iran, they're dead. If they want collateral damage, they got it. If they wanna kill one guy and have everyone else fine and peachy, they can get that too. And now Iran has a stooge president in play (not definitively proven but sure looks like it) begging the West for relief. I have lost all respect for Iran; its position is that despite its size, it has no ability to deal with Israel, not to mention the US.

Minm said:

while Israel has caused the next generation of Arabs to hate them and is now even becoming hated in Europe. Saudi Arabia is forced to not normalise with Israel and they're engaging economically with Iran.

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Basically all useless shit. The US will command all Western nations to support Israel and they will. If they people in those countries protest, they go to jail for violating national security and the government uses their prison labor to support Israel. This is Western democracy.

Minm said:

I'd say Iran is satisfied with the exchange, as long as Hezbollah survives

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I'd say they're making up all the excuses they can to keep themselves from committing suicide from embarrassment.

Index said:

Anti Israelis are drawn from a huge pool of people, who also get larger the more Muslim countries amplify their propaganda against Israel (not saying Israel isn't guilty of crimes against humanity, but it's an information campaign casting light on their behavior. Way more died in Rwanda, and nobody cared).

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You're talking about the possibility of more trouble for Israel long down the road. Right now, they are even crushing those loose ends by genociding populations that feed Hezbollah/Hamas. In the current situation, Israel is getting way more than its value in trade.

Index said:

Israel barely controls a few more streets from the start of the war,

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I don't think so. I'm hearing that they are basically shrinking Gaza into nothing and are continuing to do so.

Index said:

and the north has seen heavy setbacks as cities/towns had to be evacuated.

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Are any of them invaded and taken by Hezbollah/Hamas? No? So they'll just come right back. It's property damage at best.

Index said:

The contrast is quite clear to Russia's more undisputed success in taking cities and eliminating 100 000s of fighters.

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Yeah, I'd never say Israel is more successful than Russia.

Index said:

Let's be realistic, these freedom fighters are not valued so much. And in their defense, they are at least selling their lives at higher cost than Zelensky's conscripts at least.

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What kind of cope is this? Hezbollah/Hamas lives don't matter so let's just not count it when they die? Isrealis like to say these lives don't matter.

Index said:

Probably people here, including me, would want China to deploy it's overmatch in technology and flatten the new Axis, from Tel aviv to Hawaii. But such ideas are never without risk, especially now that US is still able to cause mutual destruction. In the end, I trust the Xi government and that it has done a much better analysis on how to break down the US threat than is possible using civilian opinions based on open source data.

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No problem here.

Index said:

And sometimes, maybe that strategy involves throwing meatshields from another country/culture.

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Not us. Only the desperate and morally depleted throw proxies to their deaths. China has allies, not proxies. If a people are willing to put their lives on the line to fight by our side and with our cause, we will honor and cherish them equally to our Chinese heroes.

Index said:

Maybe back then, Americans also gritted their teeth watching Soviets slaughter the afghan mujahideen while superior US tech and weapons could have won on the field, but in the end, Americans had their revenge on all of the USSR.

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Irrelevent to now.

manqiangrexue said:

Way way better for Israel. If you mentioned that people are an expendable resource to make Hezbollah/Hamas' losses look less important, then you'd also have to consider that everyone barely put a scratch on Israel at all.

How the hell do you figure that? They've gotten their leaders and politicians assassinated left and right. They've shown the world that if Israel wants anybody dead in Iran, they're dead. If they want collateral damage, they got it. If they wanna kill one guy and have everyone else fine and peachy, they can get that too. And now they have a stooge president in play. I have lost all respect for Iran; its position is that despite its size, it has no ability to deal with Israel.

Basically all useless shit. The US will command all Western nations to support Israel and they will. If they people in those countries protest, they go to jail for violating national security and the government uses their prison labor to support Israel.

I'd say they're making up all the excuses they can to keep themselves from committing suicide from embarrassment.

You're talking about the possibility of more trouble for Israel long down the road. Right now, they are even crushing those loose ends by genociding populations that feed Hezbollah/Hamas. In the current situation, Israel is getting way more than its value in trade.

I don't think so I'm hearing that they are basically shrinking Gaza into nothing.

Are any of them invaded and taken by Hezbollah/Hamas? No? So they'll just come right back. It's property damage at best.

Yeah, I'd never say Israel is more successful than Russia.

What kind of cope is this? Hezbollah/Hamas lives don't matter so let's just not count it when they die? Isrealis like to say these lives don't matter.

No problem here.

Not us. Only the desperate and morally depleted throw proxies to their deaths. China has allies, not proxies. If a people are willing to put their lives on the line to fight by our side and with our cause, we will honor and cherish them equally to our Chinese heroes.

Irrelevent to now.

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The truth is only houthis have shown some backbone by firing hypersonic missiles inside Tel Aviv despite them being the weakest link among Iranian proxies

manqiangrexue said:

Way way better for Israel. If you mentioned that people are an expendable resource to make Hezbollah/Hamas' losses look less important, then you'd also have to consider that everyone barely put a scratch on Israel at all.

How the hell do you figure that? They've gotten their leaders and politicians assassinated left and right. They've shown the world that if Israel wants anybody dead in Iran, they're dead. If they want collateral damage, they got it. If they wanna kill one guy and have everyone else fine and peachy, they can get that too. And now Iran has a stooge president in play (not definitively proven but sure looks like it) begging the West for relief. I have lost all respect for Iran; its position is that despite its size, it has no ability to deal with Israel, not to mention the US.

Basically all useless shit. The US will command all Western nations to support Israel and they will. If they people in those countries protest, they go to jail for violating national security and the government uses their prison labor to support Israel. This is Western democracy.

I'd say they're making up all the excuses they can to keep themselves from committing suicide from embarrassment.

You're talking about the possibility of more trouble for Israel long down the road. Right now, they are even crushing those loose ends by genociding populations that feed Hezbollah/Hamas. In the current situation, Israel is getting way more than its value in trade.

I don't think so. I'm hearing that they are basically shrinking Gaza into nothing and are continuing to do so.

Are any of them invaded and taken by Hezbollah/Hamas? No? So they'll just come right back. It's property damage at best.

Yeah, I'd never say Israel is more successful than Russia.

What kind of cope is this? Hezbollah/Hamas lives don't matter so let's just not count it when they die? Isrealis like to say these lives don't matter.

No problem here.

Not us. Only the desperate and morally depleted throw proxies to their deaths. China has allies, not proxies. If a people are willing to put their lives on the line to fight by our side and with our cause, we will honor and cherish them equally to our Chinese heroes.

Irrelevent to now.

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If I put it in a Chinese context, spending North Korean lives to damage the US/Japan is also a good trade for China as long as north Korea survives. Kim could even die and it would be fine, as long as after the war North Korea is still there. Same for Iran and Hezbollah. Even if nasrallah is dead, we'll have to see what the end result is. Israel can only really win if Hezbollah doesn't exist as a serious force anymore after the war, which is rather unlikely unless they do a genocide

How hard is it really to do these assassinations in other countries? The Ukrainians did a few in Russia. Terrorist groups routinely do so. Israel just uses a lot of terrorist tactics when the US would use drone strikes and Russia would use poison. Is UK or German security bad because the Russians did assassinations there? When you can promise life in the rich world as a reward, you'll tempt poor people. I don't think Iran's security is particularly bad for its level of development, it's just that at this level of development this is the best you can expect. Israeli terrorists used to routinely kill Iranian nuclear scientists in the past. And yet, despite the losses Iran is now a nuclear threshold country and there have been far fewer assassinations than in the past.