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To summarize, I don't believe in proxies as expendable forces costless to the host. These are dedicated forces armed (and often trained) by the host willing to fight and die for the host's cause; they are valubale assets to the host so when they are killed, the host has lost valuable assets, sometimes with greater value than citizens of the host nation itself. That is true when Russia kills Ukrainians and true when Israel kills Hamas/Hezbollah fighters.
This point can be true to some extent, depending on how you estimate the readiness level of the overlord's own forces. It's possible that once Iran's "shield" of Jihadists are defeated, Iran itself has a much weaker personal army.

But this assumes Israel even can deplete Iran's shield.

There is a lot more Muslims than there are Ukrainians. And Russia sends a lot more firepower than Israel. Just because the "depleting the shield to expose the soft underbelly" might work in 1 case does not mean it will work in the other, especially because Israel has largely only managed to trade evenly with just Hamas so far, and has proven less adept at defending its economy and home regions than Russia.

The strategy you describe (run Iran out of islamists) works only if Israel can deliver sustained wins at rates enemies struggle to replenish.
 

manqiangrexue

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This point can be true to some extent, depending on how you estimate the readiness level of the overlord's own forces. It's possible that once Iran's "shield" of Jihadists are defeated, Iran itself has a much weaker personal army.

But this assumes Israel even can deplete Iran's shield.

There is a lot more Muslims than there are Ukrainians. And Russia sends a lot more firepower than Israel. Just because the "depleting the shield to expose the soft underbelly" might work in 1 case does not mean it will work in the other, especially because Israel has largely only managed to trade evenly with just Hamas so far, and has proven less adept at defending its economy and home regions than Russia.

The strategy you describe (run Iran out of islamists) works only if Israel can deliver sustained wins at rates enemies struggle to replenish.
The point is true in all situations. A force that you paid for and trained is always a valuable asset, not something free to be slaughtered at negligible cost. It has nothing to do with what happens after they are gone, whether or not the host can pick up the fight.

Has Israel only traded evenly? I highly doubt that. They are commiting genocide in a region that strongly supplies Hamas with its fighters. Killing large portions of that population indiscriminantly including women and children depletes Hamas' abilities to restock its forces and also clears the land for more Israeli settlements.

Although Israel cannot fully destroy its threats, reducing them, causing strain to them, diminishing their abilities to replenish the dead, and expanding Israeli territory, particularly while pushing out a hostile population right in the middle of Israel, are all victories and improvements to Israel's situation that are well worth fighting for. Even if Israel cannot achieve the full victory of clearing its surroundings of hostility so that it no longer has to substantially invest in defense, what it can do are all achievments and improvements for their nation nonetheless.
 

proelite

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So apparently a temporary setback and not a giant casualty / environmental event. What I don't get is the official's sentiment to call into quality and training questions. The PLAN isn't trying to sell this submarine on the open market so it's not like there is business to be gained at the expense of the PLAN.

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So apparently a temporary setback and not a giant casualty / environmental event. What I don't get is the official's sentiment to call into quality and training questions. The PLAN isn't trying to sell this submarine on the open market so it's not like there is business to be gained at the expense of the PLAN.

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Fake news, already debunked before. Suggest you stop wasting further time
 

antiterror13

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So apparently a temporary setback and not a giant casualty / environmental event. What I don't get is the official's sentiment to call into quality and training questions. The PLAN isn't trying to sell this submarine on the open market so it's not like there is business to be gained at the expense of the PLAN.

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Is it 039C ?
 

BlackWindMnt

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Why do people believe the western source as though it is a God given fact. Has it occurred to anyone that Iran doesn’t want to act before the BRICs summit in October in a manner that will cause a problem. All this is, is Iran simply buying what precious time it could have to arm up because sooner or later, Iran will be drawn into the fight. Better to be as ready as possible instead of ‘lol we ball right now and risk the US and Israel getting together’. Better to have Israel waste its precious resources since its arms and weapons are not infinite. Besides, as long as Iran keeps on arming its proxies and does what it can to draw things out, things will not improve for Israel and the U.S. anytime soon.
Kind of reminds my of people saying Russia waited until after the winter olympics to start the war in Ukraine.
 
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