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Randomuser

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I heard HK was finished. Western media and McBNOs said so.

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Singapore has very good private banking and wealth management for very rich guys that want to hide their money from taxes.

And thats it. How often do you hear about the Singapore Stock Exchange and the companies listed on it? By design its kinda limited because only other SEA countries can list on it. Even India have their own stock exchanges and are in a bull market right now so they have no interest in going to Singapore when they can do stuff locally for once.

HK stock exchange may be in a slump right now but its still represents the big shots like Tencent, Alibaba, HSBC etc. Plus there's always hope some tech company will list on it and eventually become something big.

Its just western copium because they lost HK so they think: oh yeah? We still have Singapore so take that!
 

Minm

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in a 1v1, Taiwan would've fallen like Hainan in the 1960's or 70's. This was proven by how Taiwan lost naval battles in the 1960's and has never won against the PLAN:

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in 1970 PLAN already had 30+ Type 033 SSKs while Taiwan didn't even buy their WW2 subs yet (Tench class was transferred in 1973) and had no ASW capabilities whatsoever. SSKs aren't good in open ocean, but Taiwan Strait isn't open ocean.

Unrestricted submarine warfare would've collapsed Taiwan's economy in the 1v1 and allowed for the taking of Penghu, which was out of the range of Taiwanese MIM-23 Hawk SAMs that they had in 1970.

It was never, ever about Taiwan alone. Without foreign intervention, Mao himself would've solved it.
Agree completely. Without America, the Israeli problem would also have been solved in 1973. China chose to leave Taiwan and avoid a war with the US which China would have lost badly. Other countries are in a similar situation today
 

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Just let me know how you'd like to continue this conversation:
A. The kills of Hamas and Hezbollah both count towards Iran's kills. And their losses both count towards Iranian losses.
B. Neither the damage inflicted by Hamas/Hezbollah nor the damage taken by Hamas/Hezbollah count for Iran.

What we CANNOT have is:
C. When Hamas/Hezbollah hits Israel, that counts towards Iran's merit. When they take damage getting killed by Israel, it has nothing to do with Iran.
It does have something to do with Iran, but just like Ukrainians being killed by Russia is nowhere as damaging to US military as taking the same losses in American citizens, the same holds true for Iran.

Iran's asset is sheer willing manpower they can recruit among the Muslim world and then throw against Israel. Hamas is basically at similar strength as prewar, Hezbollah likely begun mobilizing more soldiers than they had during October last year.

Is it moral or fair to the willing fighters sent into the meat grinder against Israel? Possibly not. The same is true for when NATO arms Ukrainians and tell them to run into kill zones. But this unfair relationship is of little consolation to the Israelis/Russians on the receiving end, who are feeling their whole nation being damaged, while they can't even directly fire back at the territories from which weapons and covert assistance is shipped to directly bomb and assault Israeli/Russian settlements.

The worst thing for Israel is the poor performance at the front causing life to be heavily disrupted in the country, while Russia is coping well and basically sending career soldiers to the front. But it's still a humiliation for Russia that her enemies can do this. For Israel, it's worse than a humiliation, it's a threat they can't resolve.
 

manqiangrexue

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It does have something to do with Iran, but just like Ukrainians being killed by Russia is nowhere as damaging to US military as taking the same losses in American citizens, the same holds true for Iran.

Iran's asset is sheer willing manpower they can recruit among the Muslim world and then throw against Israel. Hamas is basically at similar strength as prewar, Hezbollah likely begun mobilizing more soldiers than they had during October last year.

Is it moral or fair to the willing fighters sent into the meat grinder against Israel? Possibly not. The same is true for when NATO arms Ukrainians and tell them to run into kill zones. But this unfair relationship is of little consolation to the Israelis/Russians on the receiving end, who are feeling their whole nation being damaged, while they can't even directly fire back at the territories from which weapons and covert assistance is shipped to directly bomb and assault Israeli/Russian settlements.

The worst thing for Israel is the poor performance at the front causing life to be heavily disrupted in the country, while Russia is coping well and basically sending career soldiers to the front. But it's still a humiliation for Russia that her enemies can do this. For Israel, it's worse than a humiliation, it's a threat they can't resolve.
So did you pick A or B? You can't have C; we can't count all of Hamas/Hezbollah's kills as Iran's and all their deaths as divorced from Iran. That's an unnatural and illogical way of twisting the story to cope for Iran.

Israel doesn't seem to care much that it's not directly killing Iranians because killing Hezbollah or Hamas is all the same to them. They are killing people who want to kill them. Israel is eliminating people who are their enemies and that's what matters. In the big picture, it's also not that different from directly losing Iranians. Hamas and Hezbollah represent people who are willing to fight to the death against Israel; that's not even true for the majority of Iranians. These are valuable assets being killed by Israel; whether their passports/bloodlines are Iranian is a matter of semantics.

Also, Russia and Israel are both going to gain territory from this. Russia's gaining huge swathes of territory in Ukraine and it likely has an understanding with China that it gets credit for aiding China's unhindered development by siphoning all of the West's resources away into a Ukrainian meat grinder. The people dying in Ukraine might not be Americans or Europeans but what is your average drug-addicted lazy American/European good for anyway? War-hardened Ukrainians willing to fight and die against Russia are arguable more valuable as assets to the West and random Westerners.

So although Israel is not satisified with what they are getting out of it, that's because they have a fanatical belief that they are the chosen race and should run everyone over effortlessly while losing nothing themselves. I hate Israel. It pains me to say this. But, in the end, it looks like Israel will expand from this conflict and it will have done severe damage that would take decades to recover from, if they can at all, to the populations of Palestinians and Lebanese who are their enemies. It is quite possible, at this rate, that Israel can take Palestine off the map, and open a new front to expand its future territory into Lebanon. Israel has suffered as well, but with Western help, they can rebuild much faster and be back to business as usual in a few years after the conflict ends.

The Muslims don't have their shit together. They are taking much much more damage than they are dealing. I see no hope for them because they cannot unite and go all-in to destroy Israel once and for all, consequences be damned. To defeat Israel and remove this blight from the world, it will likely take a new world order under China to defang and remove their Western backers, then cripple them with unopposable force out of the hands of Muslim incompetence. Israel should be taken out of existence and the land returned to Palestine; they are a center for all evil built on land robbed from the Muslims by power-drunk Western countries.
 
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Minm

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So did you pick A or B? You can't have C; we can't count all of Hamas/Hezbollah's kills as Iran's and all their deaths as divorced from Iran. That's an unnatural and illogical way of twisting the story to cope for Iran.
You can count Ukrainian kills of Russians as western victories without counting Ukrainian losses as western losses. Since the Ukrainians are willing to sacrifice themselves for the west for free. The only cost to the west is the supply of weapons and money. Same logic for Iran supporting Arab groups against Israel

But, in the end, it looks like Israel will expand from this conflict and it will have done severe damage that would take decades to recover from, if they can at all, to the populations of Palestinians and Lebanese who are their enemies. It is quite possible, at this rate, that Israel can take Palestine off the map, and open a new front to expand its future territory into Lebanon. Israel has suffered as well, but with Western help, they can rebuild much faster and be back to business as usual in a few years after the conflict ends.
I'd argue that if Hamas and Hezbollah didn't fight, Israel would have become even more powerful. There'd be normalisation with more Arab countries, investments from the west, mass migration of Jewish Europeans to Israel and the slow annexation of the west bank. With the actions they've taken, Israel is seen as an apartheid state and an aggressor that's illegally stealing land. The comparison with Russia taking Ukrainian lands at the same time makes it look even worse in the west. Sure, they might take some more land, but that won't make them any more powerful. And they're becoming more and more of a pariah.

If Hamas and Hezbollah did nothing today, Israel might survive the end of the American led order. But because of their sacrifices today, and their likely loss of the war, Israel will not be allowed to become a normal country. And once America loses a Pacific war, Israel will be exposed.
 

GZDRefugee

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Had they nuked the Soviet Union, the US would have gotten nuked back by the Soviet Union in retaliation. The Soviets had nukes and the means to deliver them. The Tu-4 in a one-way nuclear bombing mission had enough range to hit the major cities in the US.
See picture of stockpile sizes in 1950. You're also overlooking the fact that the Tu-4s would have to transit high alert airspace over both Canada and northern US after the US initiates preemptive strike. How many Tu-4s carrying the Soviet's grand total of 5 nukes would survive the trip to drop on their designated target?
 

zhangjim

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What's even the point of having these sort of discussions when all of the audience both within and without already know the conclusion: which is China must stop its relationship with Russia, give up Taiwan and stop improving it's military. Essentially means just f..ng surrender. Just because Japan is such a pussified country it does not mean it has any standing to tower and make demands over China like she's been the victim and been victimized by Chinese wanton aggression.
From ICBM's experiments, it can be seen that Japan's response is even more intense than their American counterparts.
Some people believe that Japan really wants to become a country like Israel that does not allow criticism and accusations. Even though they failed in World War II, they stood on the side of the victors in the Cold War. This leads them to adopt a condescending PUA approach towards their once weak neighbors.
 

gelgoog

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Singapore has very good private banking and wealth management for very rich guys that want to hide their money from taxes.

And thats it. How often do you hear about the Singapore Stock Exchange and the companies listed on it? By design its kinda limited because only other SEA countries can list on it. Even India have their own stock exchanges and are in a bull market right now so they have no interest in going to Singapore when they can do stuff locally for once.
Singapore joined the West in the anti-Russian oligarch sanctions. Thus it is not considered a safe place by the ultra-wealthy to store money anymore.
 
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