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Take this with a grain of salt. I don't know much about this OP. But the picture is consistent with my perception in German economic development since inception of "EU". Angela Merkel and her predecessors provided Germans with unprecedented prosperity. Similar to history of Chinese dynasties, it only takes one or two spoilers to ruin the empire ......
 

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Translation... US companies are going bankrupt not being able to sell to China.

All this fake bravado bull just to cover-up this basic fact. Yes the US is hurting because their companies can't make money from China. What happened to decoupling with China? That's what decoupling means where all sides disengage and have nothing to do with one another. The irony is that was too much for the West and that's why they changed it from decoupling to de-risking. They wanted China to keep buying from them what they were willing to sell but they didn't want China making money from them. And what's happening instead is the situation is reversed where China isn't buying from them while they're still dependent on cheap products from China because any alternative would cost them more to their fragile debt-ridden economies.

What are US businesses going to do to China if China doesn't give them free reign to sell anything without restriction that the US hasn't already done? Fund mercenary operations to sabotage China? Maybe because the US government now having the backing of US business will more likely start a war with China. The only thing that prevents the US from going to war with China is the fear China will fight back and Americans will die and they can't take casualties like everyone else can. In my previous post in the this thread I mention how US famers think they just have to wait a little bit longer before China submits and starts buying their agricultural goods. Why wait? The US is suppose to have all this clandestine power in their hands. Why not unleash it now? Because they can't for the fear of a greater loss they can't sacrifice for.
Everybody could see this coming pre trade war..

You only needed two simple facts, US companies current revenue and debt and how much of that revenue came from China.
It kind of hard when you lose 10~50% of your revenue to pay your interest and debt payments. But there is still another thing now that china has domestic alternatives, how much of those US companies revenue are now in danger of being eaten away at by those new Chinese alternatives. Those Chinese alternatives probably have a better price/quality ratio..
 

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This person has known Putin for long time and still called Ukraine invasion serious mistake. i will not deviate too much into my favorite topic. Putin cannot repeat 1945 Japan but he has to show some qualities to meet the standards. things have to be shake up in big way to shift population further to the East. The soft image to the east and all the rough things in society going on in west. obviously things that hinder population growth has to disappear like pets. There is a reason Kazan-Bolgar is called Northern Mecca or that Third Capital and this they want to achieve with BRICS to get culture closer to Royal Families of Arabia.

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Peskov: Everything that hinders the increase in the birth rate should disappear from our lives

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Kuwaiti Culture Week is taking place in Moscow​



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4Runner

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The US won't be able to compete with China even with the help of South Korea and Japan.
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Competition in shipbuilding industry is already over. With AI applications being developed and deployed in shipbuilding production processes and associated steeling making processes, on apply-to-apple comparison, I don't see one single significant factor that would give SK+JP+US any comparative advantage in shipbuilding industry. More technologically advanced with lower costs throughout the entire industrial ecosystem ......

I feel more generous today: how about SK+JP+US+EU vs China shipbuilding on this subject?
 

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If you actually knew anything about Europe, you would never have written that nonsense. Roma people don't work in formal jobs. Many are drifting and some are "employed" by organised gangs who roam Western Europe begging. Many women are forced into prostitution by their own community males. The idea that Roma people form somekind of backbone of blue-collar work without which Europe couldn't survive is the most hilarious nonsense I've read in a long time.
This comes across like you are admitting to their poor socioeconomic situation and preemptively blaming their supposed moral and cultural inferiority for it.

Gypsies aren't some kind of ubermensch caring all of Europe. All the same they are a group of ethnically-defined undesirables used as disposable migrant labor throughout Europe. It's easy when those countries neglect to take census data of them, conveniently hiding labor data, human trafficking, and mortality rates in the community.

They get exploited by illegal non contract jobs, and being outside the formal labour market they are
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. In Romania they're the cheap construction and mining labor. They're estimated to be the largest European ethnic group
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All this illustrates a continuation of western love for racial enslavement, see the practice of Roma chattel slavery from 13th to 19th century (basically grabbing and chaining any Romas you found in the street), genocide by Nazi Germany, their better conditions and favored status under communism (see USSR movie
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or the world's only gypsy theatre in Moscow) and their return to pseudoslavery today.
 
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siegecrossbow

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Competition in shipbuilding industry is already over. With AI applications being developed and deployed in shipbuilding production processes and associated steeling making processes, on apply-to-apple comparison, I don't see one single significant factor that would give SK+JP+US any comparative advantage in shipbuilding industry. More technologically advanced with lower costs throughout the entire industrial ecosystem ......

I feel more generous today: how about SK+JP+US+EU vs China shipbuilding on this subject?

The real question is how many fire extinguishers do the Chinese ships have?
 

9dashline

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Translation... US companies are going bankrupt not being able to sell to China.

All this fake bravado bull just to cover-up this basic fact. Yes the US is hurting because their companies can't make money from China. What happened to decoupling with China? That's what decoupling means where all sides disengage and have nothing to do with one another. The irony is that was too much for the West and that's why they changed it from decoupling to de-risking. They wanted China to keep buying from them what they were willing to sell but they didn't want China making money from them. And what's happening instead is the situation is reversed where China isn't buying from them while they're still dependent on cheap products from China because any alternative would cost them more to their fragile debt-ridden economies.

What are US businesses going to do to China if China doesn't give them free reign to sell anything without restriction that the US hasn't already done? Fund mercenary operations to sabotage China? Maybe because the US government now having the backing of US business will more likely start a war with China. The only thing that prevents the US from going to war with China is the fear China will fight back and Americans will die and they can't take casualties like everyone else can. In my previous post in the this thread I mention how US famers think they just have to wait a little bit longer before China submits and starts buying their agricultural goods. Why wait? The US is suppose to have all this clandestine power in their hands. Why not unleash it now? Because they can't for the fear of a greater loss they can't sacrifice for.
If US wanted to go kinetic against China their best oppurtunity was around 2015.... the longer they wait the more hopeless it becomes, trade war, covid, tech war, none of it gone as planned.... should have just went straight to hot war
 
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