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The U.S. was able to land a larger, more complex mission in Afg. with far more dexterity and effectiveness with minimal impact elsewhere
I'm surprised to see you insult America like this. All that sophistication ended with a fumble at the Kabul airport and keys to Afghanistan in Taliban hands just like before the war.
The U.S. was actually able to occupy a country on the other side of the world at minimal cost for 2+ decades. Russia can’t even occupy a bordering country and it’s entirely because of de minimis fiscal transfers from the U.S. to Ukraine
Apart from Kabul and a couple cities, NATO did not occupy anything. That's why they left after 2+ decades, defeated.
 

Petrolicious88

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I'm surprised to see you insult America like this. All that sophistication ended with a fumble at the Kabul airport and keys to Afghanistan in Taliban hands just like before the war.

Apart from Kabul and a couple cities, NATO did not occupy anything. That's why they left after 2+ decades, defeated.

Were there anything else in Afghanistan worth holding.

I feel sorry for the women and girls of Afghanistan. Want your daughter to get a good education? Sorry, Taliban says no.
 

chgough34

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- US is broke precisely because it's unable to pay for the social security while already having a fully private healthcare industry.
The U.S. healthcare industry is not “fully private” by any stretch of the imagination. Social security is also a pension, not healthcare. It’s simply a pension created in the 1930s under a drastically separate set of actuarial assumptions than exist today and legislation simply hasn’t gotten around to modifying it.
- Healthcare spending accounts for 17% of US GDP, GDP that countries with socialized healthcare does not generate or not nearly as much, so even with inflated GDP from private healthcare America still couldn't afford social security.
Nah. Healthcare is a drag on gdp to the extent it’s “bloated” since it would represent inefficient allocation of labor and capital resources. If health ar
- Exchange rate is just an observation of intrinsic USD dealuation. Fixing your frame of reference on the deprecaiting USD does not prevent it from devaluing. This is especially true considering US runs $1 trillion a year trade deficit which is very much affected by exchange rate.

- Nothing exist into perpetuity, both capital stock and technology are among the fastest depreciating assets in human history with technology often becoming obselete within 5-10 years.
Wrong. They are some of the slowest depreciating assets. For example, half of US housing stock is over 70 years old, and even after China’s 4+ decades of highly intensive building - it can’t match the U.S. in airplane passengers carried or nuclear energy and the stories of banks with legacy cobol systems is quite common. Technology developments and capital stock improvements, once made, are largely permanent. And the U.S. has both of those in substantial abundance.

For example, the ability of Microsoft to generate billions of dollars from Windows OS sales is directly causal to what Microsoft did in the 1990s with its original C/C++ programs. Similarly, Citibank’s dominant position in international payments is due to in part, legacy cobol systems going way back to the 1960s. Those advantages will endure, regardless of what anyone does policy wise, and provide an enduring competitive advantage to the American economy (not that the U.S. economy lacks competitive strengths across industries).
The fact that your thesis on American economic relevancy relies on non-depreciation directly implies actual US economic irrevelancy.
No. Since there is a substantial amount of capital deepening and technological deepening in the U.S. - it doesn’t implicate “non-depreciation”
- America benifited from geographical seclusion from 19th and 20th century conflicts in Euroasia, and the resources gained through genocidial conquest, but at it's core America has never developed past the societal complexity of a tribal state, still to this day unable to comprehend any strategy other than zero-sum conflict,
The U.S. can do cooperation and conflict at the same time; just like any other state. Cooperation but not at any cost.
unable make long term plans for its own future and its prosperity still reliant entirely on enforcing external variables.
Nope. US corporate finance departments and municipal governments are among the best long term planners anywhere, with capital improvement projects that stretch out decades, see for example (
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). They largely have to do so - after all, multiple service provisions such as elementary and secondary education and transportation are guaranteed by state constitutions into perpetuity and thus require long term planning and corporate finance departments that issue bonds with century+ maturities clearly need to match expected future project cash flows with debt obligations (decades into the future).
 

manqiangrexue

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2.5% growth is well and above any historic levels of U.S. growth and higher than any other developed economy
So... are you competing against yourself? Are you competing against other old developed countries? Or are you competing against China?
- US growth is slower for the same reason that China’s growth rate has slowed - gains from capital deepening reduce at higher levels of gdppc.
China slowed down going from fast and dirty to high tech, and also to restructure the real estate sector to improve the lives of the common people in China. America's unable to do the latter and way past the former.
that said, the U.S. economy is nowhere close to being “over financialized”, the U.S. financial sector is playing its rightful role in the economy as a mechanism to allocate capital efficiently between borrowers and savers, and be able to fund the most effective capital projects anywhere - from Nvidia GPU development to data centers in Northern Virginia. The finance share of gdp in the U.S. is nowhere near unusually high levels.
It's playing its role in keeping the money in the hands of the rich. China comes out way on top without using such a cursed weapon.
Which countries are “stand[ing] up to the U.S.” that haven’t previously?
Define previously. It's not a day or 2. Venezuela didn't used to be a problem. Iran used to be an American ally.
And if the U.S. can flawlessly erase foreign competition with sanctions and colonize effortlessly, that’s no longer “temporary” since the more the U.S. does it, the stronger the U.S. gets and the weaker the rest of the world gets which means in the next time period, the U.S. can do more of the same.
Except the US is getting weaker in comparison to the world, which includes China. Sanctions don't stop people from doing anything; they make people choose to use the US system or else. When there is no alternative, sanctions are powerful. When China provides one, US sanctions are a joke.
The U.S. has utterly destroyed Russia on a shoestring budget in Ukraine, which borders Russia, but okay
Destroyed... Russia???!!! Do you even see what Russia and Ukraine look like? You haven't put a scratch on it; only wisened it up. The US has destroyed Ukraine and Russia is growing and growing apart from the US and European economies towards China's. Ukraine doesn't matter (although the US can't back out now because it told everyone that it's the most imporant thing to all democracy and freedom). Russia was basically neutral, even tried to join NATO. The EU was a US asset in the tech war. China is the only threat to American dominance. Now, Ukraine's being beaten to shit, Russia with a surging economy (basically twice as fast as your 2-2.5% "brag") and a military revamping, can't possibly be more pro-China and anti-US/NATO, the EU's too drained to innovate so it's useless in the tech war, and China's reaping the major benefits of a Russian economy that has come to us as its sole supplier and partner in all major areas.
The U.S. is leagues and above the rest of the OECD in the share of the population with tertiary education and has tens of trillions of dollars of accumulated physical capital stock and technological development (drug formulas, source code, etc) that will exist into perpetuity. There is no “lottery winnings”; just steady, competent governance in a serene political environment delivering 2% growth year after year after year for 200+ years - one of the longest (if not the longest) unbroken chain of peaceful economic development of any country existent today.
1. That's not true in terms of education because OECD has countries like Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden.
2. Why do you keep ragging on your own dogs? Look at China; we are the competition. What kind of person looks at his rival, immediatly looks down cus that's just too much to handle, then kicks his own dogs in frustration?
The U.S. was actually able to occupy a country on the other side of the world at minimal cost for 2+ decades.
Everything fell apart and went anti-US before the last batch of American planes even left the tarmac in retreat.
Russia can’t even occupy a bordering country and it’s entirely because of de minimis fiscal transfers from the U.S. to Ukraine
You have the US confused with NATO. Don't steal the credit of 30 other countries now.
Nope. The U.S. was able to create its own puppet government in Afghanistan that governed the country, by its own with token help from other countries that wanted to show their fealty to the United States.
"Was." 20 years down the drain.
Russia has set up nothing of the sort in Ukraine.
The US did it with 30 allies. Russia's fighting all 30 critters plus the US and Ukraine. Once it's over, Russia will have a lasting hold of Ukraine again due to cultural similarities, unlike the US in Afghanistan.
And even all the more remarkable since Afghanistan is thousands of miles away from the U.S. and Ukraine borders Russia; the Afghanistan war caused literally no economic adjustments in the U.S. - hence the common refrain “the marines went to war while Americans went to the mall” - but the Ukraine war has caused a complete and total restructuring of economic life in Russia. The U.S. was able to land a larger, more complex mission in Afg. with far more dexterity and effectiveness with minimal impact elsewhere while Russia can’t even land a simple land invasion of a bordering country without failing miserably and causing yet another turn of the turmoil wheel that Russia has been spinning nonstop since the 1800s.
Oh, it was much more expensive than you think. It kept your eyes off of China. Afghanistan was never going to destroy US hegemony, but all China needed to do that was time, and Afghanistan bought some.
Nope. US corporate finance departments and municipal governments are among the best long term planners anywhere, with capital improvement projects that stretch out decades, see for example (
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). They largely have to do so - after all, multiple service provisions such as elementary and secondary education and transportation are guaranteed by state constitutions into perpetuity and thus require long term planning and corporate finance departments that issue bonds with century+ maturities clearly need to match expected future project cash flows with debt obligations (decades into the future).
So why do you keep losing international competitions in reading, science, math? Stupid kids, stupid politicians or both?
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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So... are you competing against yourself? Are you competing against other old developed countries? Or are you competing against China?

China slowed down going from fast and dirty to high tech, and also to restructure the real estate sector to improve the lives of the common people in China. America's unable to do the latter and way past the former.

It's playing its role in keeping the money in the hands of the rich. China comes out way on top without using such a cursed weapon.

Define previously. It's not a day or 2. Venezuela didn't used to be a problem. Iran used to be an American ally.

Except the US is getting weaker in comparison to the world, which includes China. Sanctions don't stop people from doing anything; they make people choose to use the US system or else. When there is no alternative, sanctions are powerful. When China provides one, US sanctions are a joke.

Destroyed... Russia???!!! Do you even see what Russia and Ukraine look like? You haven't put a scratch on it; only wisened it up. The US has destroyed Ukraine and Russia is growing and growing apart from the US and European economies towards China's. Ukraine doesn't matter (although the US can't back out now because it told everyone that it's the most imporant thing to all democracy and freedom). Russia was basically neutral, even tried to join NATO. The EU was a US asset in the tech war. China is the only threat to American dominance. Now, Ukraine's being beaten to shit, Russia can't possibly be more pro-China and anti-US/NATO, the EU's too drained to innovate so it's useless in the tech war, and China's reaping the major benefits of a Russian economy that has come to us as its sole supplier and partner in all major areas.

1. That's not true in terms of education because OECD has countries like Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden.
2. Why do you keep ragging on your own dogs? Look at China; we are the competition. What kind of person looks at his rival, immediatly looks down cus that's just too much to handle, then kicks his own dogs in frustration?

Everything fell apart and went anti-US before the last batch of American planes even left the tarmac in retreat.

You have the US confused with NATO. Don't steal the credit of 30 other countries now.

"Was." 20 years down the drain.

The US did it with 30 allies. Russia's fighting all 30 critters plus the US and Ukraine. Once it's over, Russia will have a lasting hold of Ukraine again due to cultural similarities, unlike the US in Afghanistan.

Oh, it was much more expensive than you think. It kept your eyes off of China. Afghanistan was never going to destroy US hegemony, but all China needed to do that was time, and Afghanistan bought some.

So why do you keep losing international competitions in reading, science, math? Stupid kids, stupid politicians or both?
one reminder: US was only able to occupy Afghanistan because Russia allowed it.

If Russia closed its borders, US would've been forced to leave because it couldn't force Russia to open them and there's no other way to send logistics safely to Afghanistan.

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There were several different routes included in the Northern Distribution Network. The most commonly used route, though also one of the longest, started at the port of
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, and continued for 3,212 miles (5,169 km) by train southwards through Russia, using railroads built by Russia in the 1980s for the
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MortyandRick

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The U.S. was actually able to occupy a country on the other side of the world at minimal cost for 2+ decades. Russia can’t even occupy a bordering country and it’s entirely because of de minimis fiscal transfers from the U.S. to Ukraine
So then why did they leave, and leave in such a rushed and embarrassed manner?

You cope so hard for the US you're actually contradicting yourself. If it was so easy and cheap, why didn't they stay in Afghanistan?

The U.S. has utterly destroyed Russia on a shoestring budget in Ukraine, which borders Russia, but okay
Last I checked, Russian economy is growing despite sanctions from the US, which you previously said would collapse any other nation, but that seems to be a lie.

Russian has enlarged their land and incorporated more people into their country than their lost, resulting in population growth.

Is that your definition of destroyed? If that's the case, the Ukraine must be the richest, most stable country in the world and Gaza is better than Luxemburg. And the US must have been demolished!
 

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one reminder: US was only able to occupy Afghanistan because Russia allowed it.

If Russia closed its borders, US would've been forced to leave because it couldn't force Russia to open them and there's no other way to send logistics safely to Afghanistan.

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That long US involvement in that region had prior Saudi establishment support. It is another thing that US could not execute it according to there standards. That Saudi king Moscow visit in 2017 things begin to shift. that was real visit with huge delegation like 1500 or more. no one say officially but for observation it would seem the theme of that visit was Gold. In recent visit to Mosque Putin received a Golden Holy book. even before Arabs managing Afghan airports they were inviting Russians. i am sure there is alot to gain for Russia if Afghan transform into Great Power.

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The Saudi king and his entourage bring their food from Riyadh to Moscow daily​

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Afghanistan announces plans to accept tourists from Russia​


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