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taxiya

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escobar said:
I won't be surprised if China one day regrets having helped UN sanction Korea to please US.


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How could it be comparable between SK/US and NK/China? SK is occupied by US, it is American's obligation and interest to develop SK as a forward base. If China has hundreds of thousands troops stationed in NK, NK would not have gone nuclear, there won't be UN sanction, and China will certainly help NK in development.

Don't even bother to bring up "Why China did not station army in NK". No country wants foreign army on their soil especially Koreans. NK wanted PVA to leave in 1950s because NK wanted to hang on to the richer and stronger USSR and also to show their true independence to SK. It is NK's "fault" to play USSR against China, it is NK's "fault" to go nuclear after the collapse of USSR instead of turning closer to China. China has nothing to regret.

People have to pay for consequences for what they do instead of demanding other's for help without cooperation. It is good that NK has realized it now and began building closer relationship with China, it will certainly be rewarded. But blaming China for the past is certainly misplaced.
 
NiuBiDaRen

NiuBiDaRen

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Kaeshmiri said:
I noticed that none of them called for their expulsion. Instead many were willing to give them a second chance to clarify/apologize. Chinese people are too compassionate even towards those who hate them.
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Well that's the problem with these individuals. Fool me once; shame on you. Fool me twice; shame on me. You don't give someone stalking you or destroying your business a chance to clarify. If this was the first time a western company went afoul of China, please I would give you amplitude to make amends. But this is a consistent feature of Western denigration. I wouldn't burn my Nike shoes or H&M apparel, but I would take the burning video over pro-West Chinese 公知 supporting H&M and Nike (which used to exist in greater numbers).

To put it simply, I would take a hotblooded and a little overaggressive Chinese over a placid and compliant one during this time of national defense. At least they're not burning people at the stake.
 
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horse

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Petrolicious88 said:
I love how Western companies wants to continue to harvest china, while at the same time keep china down and weak.
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China is not weak.

Consider what happened.
  • trade war
  • tech war
  • prisoners taken
  • India & China brawl
  • sanctions war
  • cotton war (LOL)
Now throw in the pandemic.

The obvious question - who is reeling?

The weak are reeling. That is the western alliance.

:p
 
Sardaukar20

Sardaukar20

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Hendrik_2000 said:
No YOU ARE WRONG IT IS THE RIGHT OF CHINESE CITIZEN TO SHOW THEIR DISPLEASURE WITH WHATEVER WAY THEY WISH !
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You know what. After some time thinking about it. I have to agree that you're right and I was wrong. It is always the right of the Chinese citizen to show their displeasure. Why should it be an exclusive right of non-Chinese people to burn and insult Chinese products? Jai Hinds can burn and smash Chinese phones. Western citizens can reject Chinese vaccines. HK roaches can burn Bank of China outlets. It is kinda unfair that Chinese citizens cannot go to the streets to protest and burn H&M merchandises there. There is rule of law in China. But there must be a way to vent all that rage. So it has to be done via online publicity stunts.

I should rephrase what I had said. China should be showing two-different kinds of rage for two-different kinds of audiences: international and domestic.

For the international audience, China can show a little of the burning of merchandises to send a message, but please don't glorify them (like India). Global Times did just that. What this does is that it creates more hostility and gives the wrong impression that Chinese people in general are hostile and unsophisticated. And also the wrong impression that the Chinese government is behind these acts. It had provoked much Sinophobia back then, when there was rage in China over the Diaoyu Islands dispute and the THAAD deployments in SK.

For the domestic audience however, burn and swear all you like to express your rage. It is your personal right. But be careful not to take it too far like those HK roaches.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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solarz said:
What makes you think it's a "tactic" at all?

Unlike what Western propaganda portrays, China is not a gigantic hive mind where its people are drones who only do Xi Jinping's bidding. This could simply have been some shenanigan from Chinese fishermen that the authorities were not aware of.

Or maybe it's a completely innocuous action that is given a sinister spin by the usual anti-China propagandists.
solarz said:
What makes you think it's a "tactic" at all?

Unlike what Western propaganda portrays, China is not a gigantic hive mind where its people are drones who only do Xi Jinping's bidding. This could simply have been some shenanigan from Chinese fishermen that the authorities were not aware of.

Or maybe it's a completely innocuous action that is given a sinister spin by the usual anti-China propagandists.
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solarz said:
What makes you think it's a "tactic" at all?

Unlike what Western propaganda portrays, China is not a gigantic hive mind where its people are drones who only do Xi Jinping's bidding. This could simply have been some shenanigan from Chinese fishermen that the authorities were not aware of.

Or maybe it's a completely innocuous action that is given a sinister spin by the usual anti-China propagandists.
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I used the word "tactic" because I don't believe that this particular episode was or is part of the overall S.C.S. "strategy" by the Chinese government. Strategy can stay the same but tactics can change or must be flexible enough to meet the changing environment.

In this particular scenario, I didn't have enough information to fully understand what was happening with respect to this latest bruhaha that's being milked on traditional media and social media in the Philippines. And out of unfounded concern for the strategic implications and relationship of China with it's ASEAN neighbours especially with the Philippines since their current President has reorient their foreign policy from pro-America to a transactional relationship.

I am of the mind that promoting and maintaining good relationship with the Philippines (and to all the ASEAN countries) must keep pace and improve upon for geopolitical reasons. And of course, I simply wrote what I was thinking out loud in here so more informed individuals can correct my assumptions, perceptions, so that I can then correct my chicken little or doom and gloom scenarios that was playing in my head.
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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solarz said:
I think we've seen quite well that the US doesn't need any real justification to invade anyone.
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Yeah, but this ties back to our previous posts that China would defend North Korea against actual invasion regardless of whether or not North Korea could pitch in in any significant way militarily just to prevent it from falling into US/SK hands. The only part that would be difficult for China in deciding how/whether to react is salami slicing against North Korean and that is basically prevented by the 38th parallel.
solarz said:
In any case, the NK economic reforms have been underway since Kim Jongun took the reins, and there have been quite a bit of changes.

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They're basically working on the fundamentals right now.
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Hope they can make it work.
 
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