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manqiangrexue

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You're basically asking NK to become a vassal state of China, and for various reasons NK is unwilling to do that, and China is not going to ask them to do so either.

As is, what NK does is perfectly rational. China also had to spend massive amounts on the military before acquiring nuclear deterrence. China could also have become a vassal state of the Soviet Union, but for obvious reasons we didn't. So why expect NK to do the same?
Because China has the potential to be a superpower while North Korea will never. And also, it wouldn't be a vassal of China; China will defend it without request much less any pledge of subservience simply because China will not tolerate a Korean peninsula unified under American ideology. North Korea can literally give China nothing, ask for nothing, but simply behave in a less aggressive manner building its economy and science normally and quietly and even without any military capability, China will defend it and take care of the rest. North Korea can grow like a larva in a commensal relationship (one in which North Korea benefits while China is simply not harmed or drained) under China's protection and when it becomes big enough, it can then undergo metamorphosis and arm itself with a credible modern force emerging like a giant hornet where it will be able to deal with South Korea from a position of confidence but not necessarily aggression. Instead, it wastes all its energy like some flaccid and gaunt worm squirming around all day hoping that it can train this flailing into a weapon to deter a mantis.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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Anyone knows why China openly parked almost 200 fishing vessels in the Philippines area?

They are so close to each other that there is no way this is a normal fishing operation.

Is China trying to test US resolve?
Does it want to send a signal to the SCS claimant countries?
And why against the Philippines when Duterte is trying to prevent another pro American lapdog from emerging and taking hold as the next viable candidate for the presidency of that country?

What's the upside on this particular tactic? It's just going to give the new U.S. admin better ammo to give and provide for their puppets and for the regular Filipinos that are already anti China to pounce on. Boggles the mind.
 

solarz

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Because China has the potential to be a superpower while North Korea will never. And also, it wouldn't be a vassal of China; China will defend it without request much less any pledge of subservience simply because China will not tolerate a Korean peninsula unified under American ideology. North Korea can literally give China nothing, ask for nothing, but simply behave in a less aggressive manner building its economy and science normally and quietly and even without any military capability, China will defend it and take care of the rest. North Korea can grow like a larva in a commensal relationship (one in which North Korea benefits while China is simply not harmed or drained) under China's protection and when it becomes big enough, it can then undergo metamorphosis and arm itself with a credible modern force emerging like a giant hornet where it will be able to deal with South Korea from a position of confidence but not necessarily aggression. Instead, it wastes all its energy like some flaccid and gaunt worm squirming around all day hoping that it can train this flailing into a weapon to deter a mantis.

Well you're making a few problematic assumptions here.

First, you're assuming that China wants a strong North Korea on its border. I don't see why that would be the case. Not saying China is doing anything to contain or sabotage NK, but I don't see why China would want to help make NK strong either. Stable? Definitely. A stable NK is very beneficial for China. Propserous? Maybe, maybe not. What does China gain exactly from a prosperous NK? Strong? Definitely not beneficial. A strong NK means it has the option to work with China's enemies to undermine China's security, if it sees advantages to doing so.

Second, you're assuming that China would even want a NK reliant on China for defense. Don't forget that the decision to enter the Korean War was not made lightly, and the logistical challenges of sending troops into NK caused a lot of PVA casualties. It makes far greater strategic sense for China to support a NK that can militarily defend itself rather relying on China's protection. In fact, historically, Korea has served as a buffer zone against Japanese aggression. Yes, China will defend NK if NK is going to get wiped out otherwise, but the idea here is that NK should do everything in its power to ensure that this doesn't happen in the first place.

There's a world of difference between sending in Chinese troops to prevent NK from falling to the US, and sending in Chinese troops every time the US makes an incursion or provocation. A militarily weaker NK means China needs to devote more resources to ensure its security, and I simply don't see China wanting to go that route.
 

solarz

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And why against the Philippines when Duterte is trying to prevent another pro American lapdog from emerging and taking hold as the next viable candidate for the presidency of that country?

What's the upside on this particular tactic? It's just going to give the new U.S. admin better ammo to give and provide for their puppets and for the regular Filipinos that are already anti China to pounce on. Boggles the mind.

What makes you think it's a "tactic" at all?

Unlike what Western propaganda portrays, China is not a gigantic hive mind where its people are drones who only do Xi Jinping's bidding. This could simply have been some shenanigan from Chinese fishermen that the authorities were not aware of.

Or maybe it's a completely innocuous action that is given a sinister spin by the usual anti-China propagandists.
 

Kaeshmiri

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What makes you think it's a "tactic" at all?

Unlike what Western propaganda portrays, China is not a gigantic hive mind where its people are drones who only do Xi Jinping's bidding. This could simply have been some shenanigan from Chinese fishermen that the authorities were not aware of.

Or maybe it's a completely innocuous action that is given a sinister spin by the usual anti-China propagandists.
So many people think that CPC leadership micromanages each and everything that's going on . They seriously need to look at the size of this nation.
 

manqiangrexue

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Well you're making a few problematic assumptions here.

First, you're assuming that China wants a strong North Korea on its border. I don't see why that would be the case. Not saying China is doing anything to contain or sabotage NK, but I don't see why China would want to help make NK strong either. Stable? Definitely. A stable NK is very beneficial for China. Propserous? Maybe, maybe not. What does China gain exactly from a prosperous NK? Strong? Definitely not beneficial. A strong NK means it has the option to work with China's enemies to undermine China's security, if it sees advantages to doing so.
A strong North Korea that might work with Western forces to undermine China is so far off from the current reality that what North Korea needs to do now is become stronger just to be stable and there is no question that China would support that.
Second, you're assuming that China would even want a NK reliant on China for defense. Don't forget that the decision to enter the Korean War was not made lightly, and the logistical challenges of sending troops into NK caused a lot of PVA casualties. It makes far greater strategic sense for China to support a NK that can militarily defend itself rather relying on China's protection. In fact, historically, Korea has served as a buffer zone against Japanese aggression. Yes, China will defend NK if NK is going to get wiped out otherwise, but the idea here is that NK should do everything in its power to ensure that this doesn't happen in the first place.
In this case, it doesn't really fall on China to want to or not want to defend North Korea; it's a necessity to defend North Korea. If North Korea were to say to China tomorrow that they are too broke to keep up this shenanigans and will atrophy their military in order to build the economy, China would have no choice but to defend them if South Korea and the US tried to unite them by force, which is their only military threat.
There's a world of difference between sending in Chinese troops to prevent NK from falling to the US, and sending in Chinese troops every time the US makes an incursion or provocation. A militarily weaker NK means China needs to devote more resources to ensure its security, and I simply don't see China wanting to go that route.
The presence of the 38th parallel is a great advantage to North Korea in this because it will be very hard to steal their land without it being so obviously a step towards invasion and war. The no man's land full of landmines and stuck in an era of war makes it almost impossible to attempt salami-slicing land grabs on North Korea, and if they demilitarize to focus on building economic foundations, there is simply no justification for anyone to invade them.
 

solarz

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The presence of the 38th parallel is a great advantage to North Korea in this because it will be very hard to steal their land without it being so obviously a step towards invasion and war. The no man's land full of landmines and stuck in an era of war makes it almost impossible to attempt salami-slicing land grabs on North Korea, and if they demilitarize to focus on building economic foundations, there is simply no justification for anyone to invade them.

I think we've seen quite well that the US doesn't need any real justification to invade anyone.

In any case, the NK economic reforms have been underway since Kim Jongun took the reins, and there have been quite a bit of changes.

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They're basically working on the fundamentals right now.
 

Aniah

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This is just dumb. If you already bought them then you already paid money to Nike/H&M. I thought Chinese are beyond this sort of petty nationalistic showcase but many are still on the level of Indians post Ladakh.
It's not about the money, it's about the message. The money they will be receiving in the future would be minimal at best.
 
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