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chgough34

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They are truely master of convincing propaganda and soft power for domestic and many foreign audience. It takes alot to break thru that brainwashing. Most Americans even after witnessing the past 20 years of global wars some how still thinks they are the beacon of humane rights and freedom, rather than questioning wtf.
Indeed. Diplomacy involves, among others, convincing necessary domestic political constituencies that your actions are necessary and desirable. That even exporting US corporates which will move heaven and earth with litigation and lobbying to stop even small regulations, but won’t even lift a finger to stop their entire businesses in China from getting vaporized just shows that the U.S. has been able to placate or silence constituencies that would otherwise lobby for improved relations, meaning that the entirety of U.S.-China relations are managed entirely from DC, due to excellent political engineering and public diplomacy. Even doubly so for foreign audiences who are incredibly deferential to the U.S. and will often copy the U.S. word for word (like Canada this morning and the EVs) regardless of the harm they may be causing to their domestic political constituencies.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Leaving China to go to India is always a political agenda, not a business one.

IBM, when you leave China, it is on your own choice, not China's, just like when you came to China in the first place. Going to India? Wonderful! Enjoy your adventures there. After awhile, when you're compelled to come crawling back to China. Its doors might still be open, but it won't be the same China that you left. If you think that you leaving China will make you stronger, and China weaker? LoL! You have clearly not been reading about your fellow peers who have done the same thing.
Allowing 1000 top tier researchers that were basically given further training at IBM's expense, for IBM salaries, producing nothing of value to China since all the IP went back to the US, to now contribute their knowledge to China, is truly a devastating move.

How will China ever recover?
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Allowing 1000 top tier researchers that were basically given further training at IBM's expense, for IBM salaries, producing nothing of value to China since all the IP went back to the US, to now contribute their knowledge to China, is truly a devastating move.

How will China ever recover?
Western finance has a profoundly warped concept of how the world works. They think divesting makes the human and industrial capital their investment produced instamagically disappear. The part where Chinese companies pick up these assets eludes them.
 

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They are truely master of convincing propaganda and soft power for domestic and many foreign audience. It takes alot to break thru that brainwashing. Most Americans even after witnessing the past 20 years of global wars some how still thinks they are the beacon of humane rights and freedom, rather than questioning wtf.
They are not really. Americans like themselves for the same reason nazi Germans liked themselves. Because they're scared of retribution once the evil government is deposed, so they close ranks around their government, in full knowledge of how evil they really are.

If you just bother to pressure them a little more on their views, you'll quickly see that they are completely anti human rights and anti freedom, only using it as thinnest loincloth to not make themselves look too monstrous... Or for some, to mock the victims.
 

manqiangrexue

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The U.S. is a master of diplomacy, readily able to pursue maximum hostility towards China while simultaneously using leaks to friendly media to effectively quash all opposition there may be from allies and U.S. corporates by painting China as unreasonable and the U.S. as supremely responsible
You've confused diplomacy with the waning final hours of hard power dominance. America's terrible at diplomacy; the things they say are stupid and not believable but simply adds to it that," You better believe it or you can believe these sanctions." That works with some mentally caged weaker countries (Western Europeans, Japan, Korea, etc...) but the times when it doesn't work are many as well, whether it be because the US tried to intimidate a country with nerves of steel (North Korea, Cuba, Venzuela, etc...) or that the power dynamic is not enough (China, Russia). Everything collapses on America's "diplomacy" when its power dominance is overrun by China.

Here's an example of how stupid it is when America tries to convince someone: in 2011-2014, when American athletes were caught competing after positive doping tests, USADA's excuse to WADA is that it let these athletes go undercover to catch other doping athletes. It's become the joke of the sporting world for retarded excuses but WADA had to accept it because of the power dynamic. The power dynamic has changed in a decade apparently so WADA blew USADA's cover.
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