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A story shared by Jack Dorsey, the founder of Twitter, uncovered that the current leaders of Signal, an allegedly “secure” messaging app, are activists used by the US state department for regime change abroad

The US government spent $3M to build Signal’s encryption, and today the exact same encryption is implemented in WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, Google Messages and even Skype. It looks almost as if big tech in the US is not allowed to build its own encryption protocols that would be independent of government interference ‍

️‍♂️ An alarming number of important people I’ve spoken to remarked that their “private” Signal messages had been exploited against them in US courts or media. But whenever somebody raises doubt about their encryption, Signal’s typical response is “we are open source so anyone can verify that everything is all right”. That, however, is a trick

️‍♂️ Unlike Telegram, Signal doesn’t allow researchers to make sure that their GitHub code is the same code that is used in the Signal app run on users’ iPhones. Signal refused to add reproducible builds for iOS, closing a GitHub request from the community. And WhatsApp doesn’t even publish the code of its apps, so all their talk about “privacy” is an even more obvious circus trick

Telegram is the only massively popular messaging service that allows everyone to make sure that all of its apps indeed use the same open source code that is published on Github. For the past ten years, Telegram Secret Chats have remained the only popular method of communication that is verifiably private

May 8 2024
 

9dashline

Captain
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A story shared by Jack Dorsey, the founder of Twitter, uncovered that the current leaders of Signal, an allegedly “secure” messaging app, are activists used by the US state department for regime change abroad

The US government spent $3M to build Signal’s encryption, and today the exact same encryption is implemented in WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, Google Messages and even Skype. It looks almost as if big tech in the US is not allowed to build its own encryption protocols that would be independent of government interference ‍

️‍♂️ An alarming number of important people I’ve spoken to remarked that their “private” Signal messages had been exploited against them in US courts or media. But whenever somebody raises doubt about their encryption, Signal’s typical response is “we are open source so anyone can verify that everything is all right”. That, however, is a trick

️‍♂️ Unlike Telegram, Signal doesn’t allow researchers to make sure that their GitHub code is the same code that is used in the Signal app run on users’ iPhones. Signal refused to add reproducible builds for iOS, closing a GitHub request from the community. And WhatsApp doesn’t even publish the code of its apps, so all their talk about “privacy” is an even more obvious circus trick

Telegram is the only massively popular messaging service that allows everyone to make sure that all of its apps indeed use the same open source code that is published on Github. For the past ten years, Telegram Secret Chats have remained the only popular method of communication that is verifiably private

May 8 2024
This is my personal message I sent to Telegram CEO on May 10th 2024

I saw your recent post about Signal. Ironic thing is back in 2018 that Moxie dude, after taking $$$ millions from fb, all of a sudden removed the ability to use custom passwords to lock the local signal chat app database, instead stating that andriod smartphone OS had already gotten secure enough that it could simply leverage andriod fingerprint for locking. Nevermind the fact that US Supreme Court has declared fingerprints do not have the same level of legal protection vs passwords ("something you are/have" vs "something you know") when many people begged him to reconsidered, he closed the issue instead stating they can open it up in the signal forum insteads. When the issue was brought up in the Signal forums, he claimed Signal local password was never actually meant to be used as part of end to end encryption at all, but when folks asked why Signals predecessor TextSecure clearly had longstanding public literature clearly claiming the local password was used for end to end encryption and encryption at rest etc, Moxie shutdown and blackholed the entire thread and discussion... On github, a very smart and well written individual posted a point by point rebuttal to my suspicions of signal, including stating that the change was indeed announced in the changelog... but in reality such a drastic change was actually tucked away and hidden, so that only people who knew where to look on github could find it, and was not at all clear nor conspicuous and was never on the main changelog page. Before this Signal had been backwards compatible with many older versions, but with this change it immediately ceased functionality until users were forced into updating to the new app that only allowed for fingerprint lock and completely did away with the option to use custom passwords. Some weeks later when I tried to go back to rebuttal his rebuttal, I noticed the entire post disappeared...

It was around this same time that SpiderOak suddenly stopped its longstanding warrant canary, the excuse was the canary was tedious process and no longer needed. But the fact they abruptly stopped signing the canary without even a one last signature stating they are stopping raised massive alarm bells. Spideroak had prevuously always maintained several versions of backwards compatibility, but it was coinciding with the abrupt stop of the warrant canary that they forced a new client that required everyone to immediately upgrade to the new clients, otherwise it would not even allow login, and syncs and ongoing replications that has been going on older clients were immediately broken, this had never happened before in the history of spideroak. Funny thing is they then for a while posted a statement on their main page that they "do not have backdoors"...

Also the sudden shutdown of TrueCrypt was suspicious as well, with the anon devs recommending everyone switch to using Microsoft Bitlocker and saying that TrueCrypt was "Not Secure As" Microsoft bitlocker lol....

Around this time it was discovered hardware encrypted usb stick Ironkey was actually using a NSA compromised random number generator....

And even before that the owners of encrypted email service lavabit had to shutdown its service abruptly, later disclosing that it was either that or allow the FBI to secretly install a backdoor to gain access to all its users plaintext emails, not just merely the ones under investigation. He decided to shutdown instead, and for a long time he posted a long letter on his lavabit frontpage detailing exactly what happened and stating his conviction that no software or service developed in the USA could ever be considered secure.

Keep up the good work, Telegram is the last standing.


-RIP Telegram
It just barely turned 11 years old a few days ago, and got JFK'd by the CIA
 

coolgod

Colonel
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Does using WeChat for messaging confer the same privacy benefits as using the Session app as per Kim Dotcom's advice? I assume that Tencent doesn't share their data with Western governments either?
I don't think so. Wechat doesn't offer end-to-end encryption. Also I think we need to differentiate between wechat and weixin (the chinese version), the apps have minor differences. I am pretty sure wechat has servers overseas, fbi/nsa/western intelligence agencies can eavesdrop on messages on wechat overseas if they really wanted to or get a secret warrant. Alternatively they can just raid wechat's overseas servers.

I presume weixin is slightly different, msgs probably won't be routed to servers outside china if all the clients are weixin users. Even then, weixin isn't end to end encrypted I think.
 

pmc

Major
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Which is good. The weakness of the Arab countries and the complete U.S. dominance over MENA despite being thousands of miles away but subject to the minutiae of the DC fiscal policy process and various nameless Pentagon bureaucrats just reveals their weakness, day in and day out (and they are left complaining about how Biden didn’t seek congressional approval for an AECA transfer that falls under the 135(b) exception of ITAR or whatever else lmao). Take it up with the DC Circuit
It is not the weakness of Arab countries but weakness of US that US has to baby sit them. Biden may well be first US president in history who is avoided by both Saudi King and Crown Prince at the White house. and when you look at scale of one sided visits to Mideast it look like US needs Arabs. and Arabs takes aviation way seriously than any thing else. Those C-17 life span will expire and Airbus will gain more ground in Civil Aviation. when that happens than Arabs will have to lobby Europeans to extract things from US. you can already see the negative impact of Arab economic system through Gold prices.

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We go through those reviews, but restarting a production line that has been dormant for quite some time is extremely expensive,” Sjogren notes. Additionally, he says: “to get new aircraft like that into the market is going to take some time”.
Three of the six Gulf Cooperation Council member nations fly the C-17: Kuwait, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. Saudi Arabia also came “very close” to confirming an order prior to production ending, Sjogren says.
Meanwhile, Vince Logsdon, Boeing Defense Space & Security vice-president international business development, believes the company’s P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft will be “the next C-17”, with the risk of potential customers missing out when production of the 737NG-based model comes to an end. Saudi Arabia is studying a possible maritime patrol aircraft acquisition, with the P-8A among potential candidates.
 

9dashline

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This is my personal message I sent to Telegram CEO on May 10th 2024

I saw your recent post about Signal. Ironic thing is back in 2018 that Moxie dude, after taking $$$ millions from fb, all of a sudden removed the ability to use custom passwords to lock the local signal chat app database, instead stating that andriod smartphone OS had already gotten secure enough that it could simply leverage andriod fingerprint for locking. Nevermind the fact that US Supreme Court has declared fingerprints do not have the same level of legal protection vs passwords ("something you are/have" vs "something you know") when many people begged him to reconsidered, he closed the issue instead stating they can open it up in the signal forum insteads. When the issue was brought up in the Signal forums, he claimed Signal local password was never actually meant to be used as part of end to end encryption at all, but when folks asked why Signals predecessor TextSecure clearly had longstanding public literature clearly claiming the local password was used for end to end encryption and encryption at rest etc, Moxie shutdown and blackholed the entire thread and discussion... On github, a very smart and well written individual posted a point by point rebuttal to my suspicions of signal, including stating that the change was indeed announced in the changelog... but in reality such a drastic change was actually tucked away and hidden, so that only people who knew where to look on github could find it, and was not at all clear nor conspicuous and was never on the main changelog page. Before this Signal had been backwards compatible with many older versions, but with this change it immediately ceased functionality until users were forced into updating to the new app that only allowed for fingerprint lock and completely did away with the option to use custom passwords. Some weeks later when I tried to go back to rebuttal his rebuttal, I noticed the entire post disappeared...

It was around this same time that SpiderOak suddenly stopped its longstanding warrant canary, the excuse was the canary was tedious process and no longer needed. But the fact they abruptly stopped signing the canary without even a one last signature stating they are stopping raised massive alarm bells. Spideroak had prevuously always maintained several versions of backwards compatibility, but it was coinciding with the abrupt stop of the warrant canary that they forced a new client that required everyone to immediately upgrade to the new clients, otherwise it would not even allow login, and syncs and ongoing replications that has been going on older clients were immediately broken, this had never happened before in the history of spideroak. Funny thing is they then for a while posted a statement on their main page that they "do not have backdoors"...

Also the sudden shutdown of TrueCrypt was suspicious as well, with the anon devs recommending everyone switch to using Microsoft Bitlocker and saying that TrueCrypt was "Not Secure As" Microsoft bitlocker lol....

Around this time it was discovered hardware encrypted usb stick Ironkey was actually using a NSA compromised random number generator....

And even before that the owners of encrypted email service lavabit had to shutdown its service abruptly, later disclosing that it was either that or allow the FBI to secretly install a backdoor to gain access to all its users plaintext emails, not just merely the ones under investigation. He decided to shutdown instead, and for a long time he posted a long letter on his lavabit frontpage detailing exactly what happened and stating his conviction that no software or service developed in the USA could ever be considered secure.

Keep up the good work, Telegram is the last standing.


-RIP Telegram
It just barely turned 11 years old a few days ago, and got JFK'd by the CIA
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⚡️French authorities reveal charges against Pavel Durov

Among them:

-Complicity in administration of an online platform allowing for an illegal transaction

-Refusal to give up, at the request of the authorities, information or documents necessary for the realization off law enforcement action

-Complicity in possession of child pornographic images

-Complicity in acquisition, transporting, possession, or distribution of illegal drugs

-Involvement in money laundering offences

-Providing illegal cryptological services (communications privacy)

#Durov #France -
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So basically at the behest of US/CIA, the EUs position is that strong encryption is illegal and if you dont put in a gov backdoor, you become guilty of child porno offenses

"Where at least I know Im Free"
 

FairAndUnbiased

Brigadier
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I don't think so. Wechat doesn't offer end-to-end encryption. Also I think we need to differentiate between wechat and weixin (the chinese version), the apps have minor differences. I am pretty sure wechat has servers overseas, fbi/nsa/western intelligence agencies can eavesdrop on messages on wechat overseas if they really wanted to or get a secret warrant. Alternatively they can just raid wechat's overseas servers.

I presume weixin is slightly different, msgs probably won't be routed to servers outside china if all the clients are weixin users. Even then, weixin isn't end to end encrypted I think.
Not using end to end encryption only means that the key lies with Tencent.

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coolgod

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Not using end to end encryption only means that the key lies with Tencent.

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Yes but I'm still worried about wechat servers oversea, they'd be subject to the laws of local jurisdictions. I assume weixin doesn't use servers overseas even if all the users are overseas, but I don't have any proof this is the case.
 

9dashline

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So im being told the only way they will ever release Telegram CEO is if he agrees to put a backdoor, not just in normal telegram but the secret mode that uses end to end encryption

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Protonmail caved years ago and routed all their traffic to an Israeli "suckerity" firm for "protection" and thats when their DDOS attacks stopped

You either live long enough to see yourself become the villian or die a hero...

No matter what Du Rove does at this point, Telegram users have lost....

The dude was a billionaire but didn't have common sense, thought he was safe in France when in reality he would have been much better off living in China or not having left Russia in the first place...Guess he learned nothing from the Huawei princess kidnapping

Back when after the SEC went after him and shutdown his TON crypto, the largest ICO at the time, he shoulda gotten the hint. Yet he kept bashing on China and bragging about the freedom of the West

The French are saying its not politicial, the same way Canada said it wasnt political

The US is giving the orders and the objective is to turn Telegram, failing that, to kill it

I never thought the gram was getting the axe before Wechat and Tiktok or DJI

Everyone in the world should thank their lucky stars that we live in a world with a Strong China that is getting Stronger every day
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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So im being told the only way they will ever release Telegram CEO is if he agrees to put a backdoor, not just in normal telegram but the secret mode that uses end to end encryption

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Protonmail caved years ago and routed all their traffic to an Israeli "suckerity" firm for "protection" and thats when their DDOS attacks stopped

You either live long enough to see yourself become the villian or die a hero...

No matter what Du Rove does at this point, Telegram users have lost....

The dude was a billionaire but didn't have common sense, thought he was safe in France when in reality he would have been much better off living in China or not having left Russia in the first place...Guess he learned nothing from the Huawei princess kidnapping

Back when after the SEC went after him and shutdown his TON crypto, the largest ICO at the time, he shoulda gotten the hint. Yet he kept bashing on China and bragging about the freedom of the West

The French are saying its not politicial, the same way Canada said it wasnt political

The US is giving the orders and the objective is to turn Telegram, failing that, to kill it

I never thought the gram was getting the axe before Wechat and Tiktok or DJI

Everyone in the world should thank their lucky stars that we live in a world with a Strong China that is getting Stronger every day
Any alternative to proton mail (besides the founder of that company was a cockroach supporting shit)
 
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