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IDonT

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Gollevainen said:
Well getting aircraft carrier will drain money, wheter it's new or old one being refitted.


True...but a newer one is a better investment.
 

Gollevainen

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Yeas but to go whit completely indegenious and new carrier will take time. Too much time. Chinese navy will be badly underpowered before it, as it have been so thruwards it's history. Varyag is like gift from the gods to PLAN carrier plans and it would be very unvice to let this change go away...

China is rising and to accelrate it's flourishing powerprotection ability, the carrier is the key element to must be in service....

Indegenious projects can and they will follow Varyag, as we know a single carrier isent' suficient enough.
 

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The chinese do not need a carrier to flourish. The carrier itself is going by the wayside; it is the submarine that will win wars these days.


I say this fully knowing that I'd rather still be in the BB glory days. :(
 

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Neko said:
The chinese do not need a carrier to flourish. The carrier itself is going by the wayside; it is the submarine that will win wars these days.


I say this fully knowing that I'd rather still be in the BB glory days. :(


Please...we are saying why does china need carreirs in here not whether they do or they don't. Of course China will need carriers sooner or later...here we all prefer sooner because the modern sea battle requires carriers for air defence. A good sumbarine force isn't enough for China at all not now not ever. Without a carrier, China's navy will forever stay green water!
 
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Gollevainen

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Neko said:
The chinese do not need a carrier to flourish. The carrier itself is going by the wayside; it is the submarine that will win wars these days.


I say this fully knowing that I'd rather still be in the BB glory days. :(


is my english once again fooled me...i'l think i said chinese POWER PROTECTION is flourishing, not the carriers...
 

Gollevainen

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I understood what HE ment, the question was from my side...and anyway, powerprotection is the maintask of superpower's navyes and carrier is a must in that field. you cannot powerproject whit subs...
 

IDonT

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Gollevainen said:
I understood what HE ment, the question was from my side...and anyway, powerprotection is the maintask of superpower's navyes and carrier is a must in that field. you cannot powerproject whit subs...


I could not have said it better myself. The Soviet Union rely mainly on sub and were embarassed by in the Cuban Missile Crisis on its in ability to project its influence on Cuba.

After Cuba, the Soviet Navy under an ambitious project to built a carrier fleet resulting in the Movska, Kiev, Kuznetsov, and ultimately the cancelled Ulyanovsk Class.
 

MIGleader

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Would china try to do a similar thing?...

as I said, having a superprojection force like US leavse you with certain vulnerbilities. all china needs to do is project in asia, leaving subs to handle the world.
 

IDonT

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Here are the Indian Refit of the Gorshkov (Kiev class).

IF PLAN refits the Minsk and Kiev, it could look like this.

Gorshkov4.jpg


Gorshkov8.jpg

Before

Gorshkov9.jpg


After
 
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