Minsk and Kiev

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FriedRiceNSpice said:
Minsk and Kiev are very vulnerable to submarines. And also, they lack the systems to defend themselves from large-scale air assualts. Finally, any dedicated surface taskforce of missile destroyers and frigates can take down two unprotected carriers.
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Hum... armament of the Minsk and Kiev

2 SA-N-3 Goblet twin launchers [72]
2 SA-N-4 Gecko twin launchers [40]
8 SS-N-12 Sandbox tubes [16]

4 76.2-mm/59-cal AA (2 twin)
8 30-mm/65-cal AK-630 close-in (8 multi-barrel)

10 21-in (533-mm) torpedo tubes
 
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MIGleader said:
your forgetting its anti sub rockets and the fact it can carry helixs or attack copters.
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12 or 13 Yak-38 Forger VSTOL
14 to 17 Ka-25 Hormone or Ka-27/29 Helix

I didn't find it for the AS rocket, sorry
 
FriedRiceNSpice

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Lets put it this way...
Minsk and Kiev engage a US Carrier Battle Group. What happens?
Now, a PLAN naval task force with 3 carriers, 10 modern destroyers, and a few dozen outdated frigates and destroyers encounter a US Carrier Battle Group. What happens?
 
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ger_mark said:
wont happend
the americans would always know the position of all plan ships
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How does that change anything? Maybe the Americans see Chinese carrier group, so then they have to move their carrier group to battle the Chinese group?
 
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varyag, minsnk and kiev, 52 b, c, 51 b, c, maanshan, jiangwei 2, sovs and em sovs vs a nimitz, two burkes, a tico, and some sonarships and patro vessels.

not even a challenge. now this would never happen.
 
FriedRiceNSpice

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MIGleader said:
varyag, minsnk and kiev, 52 b, c, 51 b, c, maanshan, jiangwei 2, sovs and em sovs vs a nimitz, two burkes, a tico, and some sonarships and patro vessels.

not even a challenge. now this would never happen.
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What do you mean not even a challenge? I'd say the forces are evenly matched. And you'll have 2 SovEs, 2 SovEMs, and 2 Chinese-built SovEMs along with the Luhais and 051C to form the cream of the Chinese destroyer force.

And whatever happened to the Shenzhen-Class destroyers? If you look on Sinodefence, they don't even have a page for the Shenzhens anymore. Was it renamed?
 
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FriedRiceNSpice said:
Lets put it this way...
Minsk and Kiev engage a US Carrier Battle Group. What happens?
Now, a PLAN naval task force with 3 carriers, 10 modern destroyers, and a few dozen outdated frigates and destroyers encounter a US Carrier Battle Group. What happens?
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to attack Taiwan, China doesn't really need 3 carriers. That's why converting the Minsk and Kiev into cruisers that can carry some ASW helicopters make the most sense.
 
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tphuang said:
to attack Taiwan, China doesn't really need 3 carriers. That's why converting the Minsk and Kiev into cruisers that can carry some ASW helicopters make the most sense.
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Once again, I was referring to a major US-China conflict that could potentially take place out of the Taiwan theatre. China doesn't need any carriers against Taiwan. All Chinese fighters except for the J-7s are capable of flying missions against Taiwan 24/7 using mainland airbases.
 
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