Minsk and Kiev

FriedRiceNSpice said:

What do you mean not even a challenge? I'd say the forces are evenly matched. And you'll have 2 SovEs, 2 SovEMs, and 2 Chinese-built SovEMs along with the Luhais and 051C to form the cream of the Chinese destroyer force.

And whatever happened to the Shenzhen-Class destroyers? If you look on Sinodefence, they don't even have a page for the Shenzhens anymore. Was it renamed?

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shenzhen? never heard of it. the lone 51c class was called shenzhen, but nothing more.

of course it won't be a challenge. 2 kiev class, varyag, 2 sovermenny , 2 52b 52c 2 kilo, 2 51s..man....what a cbg!!

of course it won't be a challenge. 2 kiev class, varyag, 2 sovermenny , 2 52b 52c 2 kilo, 2 51s..man....what a cbg!!

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Yes it would be a challange. But the USN has been operating CV's since 1922. That's 83 years. While the PLAN has been operating CV's since ..well never! Do not under estimate the ablity of one USN Carrier Strike Group(CSG) to do battle. Afer all the USN CSG is real. And a PLAN CVBG is a dream in some in this forums members eyes. No offense to anyone. Just facts.

PLABUDDY said:

of course it won't be a challenge. 2 kiev class, varyag, 2 sovermenny , 2 52b 52c 2 kilo, 2 51s..man....what a cbg!!

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Replace the Kilos with the 093 SSN. Those diesels can't keep up.

Discard the Kievs and use to money to build more 052 C's and B's. Then you have a modest carrier group.

Here is a better pic of a CSG

Nice pictures IDont. Like that picture of Pearl Harbor. Did you notice the USS Missouri? It is a musuem now.

Replace the Kilos with the 093 SSN. Those diesels can't keep up.

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True enough. Those desiels can't keep up. They can only go about 20 knots. They were designed to operate in littoral waters.(close to shore)

Back to the picture. How many nations would love to have just one USS Tarawa class LHA as pictured?? That is the USS Tarawa LHA-1 by the way.

bd popeye said:

Nice pictures IDont. Like that picture of Pearl Harbor. Did you notice the USS Missouri? It is a musuem now.

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yeah I notice that. The Japanese navy joins in Rim PAC. It must be awkward for them seing the Arizona next to the Missouri.

IDonT said:

yeah I notice that. The Japanese navy joins in Rim PAC. It must be awkward for them seing the Arizona next to the Missouri.

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isn't the battle ship in the pic too old to be in modern navies?

PLABUDDY said:

isn't the battle ship in the pic too old to be in modern navies?

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Its a museum.
Its sort of symbolic. USS Arizona started US involvement in WWII, USS Missouri ended it.

IDonT said:

yeah I notice that. The Japanese navy joins in Rim PAC. It must be awkward for them seing the Arizona next to the Missouri.

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That's an interesting comment. My son's first ship did a RIMPCC about three years ago. They operated with some JMSDF ships. He said they were squared away and know what they are doing. When all the RIMPAC forces were in Pearl Harbor he got to visit a JMSDF ship. Don't know what kind. He said it was very similar to the Spruance class he was on at that time. As for the Japanese reaction to Pearl Harbor. My son said the Japanese are very intrested in the history of Pearl and did a lot of sightseeing. are very intrested

You know the JMSDF is the second largest navy in the world.

isn't the battle ship in the pic too old to be in modern navies?

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That's the USS Missouri as Idont posted. It is a musuem now. It is very symbolic that it is in Pearl Harbor along with the USS Arizona. The Arizona was sunk on 7 December 1941. 1,177 American sailors were killed on board the Arizona. The Japanese surrendered on the USS Missouri on 2 September 1945.