Minsk and Kiev

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swimmerXC

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It would be Rumsfeld who has a heart attack and lecture more to the rest of the world about how china spends so much on military and are threathen peace...
i find it very ironic that somebody lecture about military budget when THEY are in charge of the BIGGEST in the world...
god, i hope he never runs for president... but who know DICK was Bush Senior Secretary of Defense...
 
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swimmerXC said:
It would be Rumsfeld who has a heart attack and lecture more to the rest of the world about how china spends so much on military and are threathen peace...
i find it very ironic that somebody lecture about military budget when THEY are in charge of the BIGGEST in the world...
god, i hope he never runs for president... but who know DICK was Bush Senior Secretary of Defense...
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No he would not. He knows he has 12 CV's...

Run for President? Rumsfield? Oh no :eek: . He'd never win. He is not well liked. He's just a carreer buearcrat that knows all the "right people"...Personally I don't like him. He is very condessending...Can't stand him.
 
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PLABUDDY

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of course it would be a heart attack for the US if China commissions 3 carriers..i mean why wouldn't it be? Sure they can move some of their forces to guam and japan..but don't forget russia up there. The russians would also be concerned and they would therefore sell more weapons or add more forces in the pacific. So you know what don't just say oh it won't be...dont over estimate the US and underestimate China and Russia..thanks. :)
 
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I would habe a heart attack if chinese would comisioned Kiev and Minsk...no way, i've stated it several times...leave those old warhorses rest in peace...(tough some more respectable retirement would be nice, not act as some freaking casinos...)
 
MIGleader

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taiwan and japan would have a heart attack if china got three carriers. the us would just build more of their own carriers.
 
FriedRiceNSpice

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MIGleader said:
taiwan and japan would have a heart attack if china got three carriers. the us would just build more of their own carriers.
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China doesn't have enough destroyers/frigates to protect a carrier battle group. At best, if China built a few more modern ASW and AA destroyers, then they might be able to support one carrier task force. They could put all three carriers in one task force though, that would require less support ships.
 
MIGleader

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when china gets its new destroyers and frigates, it will have enough ships for a carrier croup.

minsk and kiev can defend themselfs and other ships perfectly fine. they are loaded to the teeth with ashm and aam.
 
FriedRiceNSpice

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MIGleader said:
when china gets its new destroyers and frigates, it will have enough ships for a carrier croup.

minsk and kiev can defend themselfs and other ships perfectly fine. they are loaded to the teeth with ashm and aam.
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Minsk and Kiev are very vulnerable to submarines. And also, they lack the systems to defend themselves from large-scale air assualts. Finally, any dedicated surface taskforce of missile destroyers and frigates can take down two unprotected carriers.
 
MIGleader

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since when di taiwan have such a force? i never said send them in alone. just that if they are alone, they can protect themselves as they retreat. the can fitted with new sonar for subs. they already have torpedoes and rockets.
 
FriedRiceNSpice

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MIGleader said:
since when di taiwan have such a force? i never said send them in alone. just that if they are alone, they can protect themselves as they retreat. the can fitted with new sonar for subs. they already have torpedoes and rockets.
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Well, in any serious struggle with the USN, the PLAN will have to provide serious protection for its carriers. And shipborned sonar could not detect the newer-genetation quiet subs until the subs are within their torpedo range. That is why you need a screen of anti-sub ships.
 
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