Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

broadsword

Brigadier
No triangle, the MH370 was too distant. The Malaysian government practices affirmative policy, so the best talent does not run the system, but Airasia is a private enterprise and has been doing comparatively well.

There is more information about the doomed flight that we can learn about aviation:
AirAsia flight QZ8501: Aviation expert says plane should have flown around bad weather, not above it
Published on Dec 28, 2014 7:13 PM


An official from Indonesia's national search and rescue agency in Medan, North Sumatra points at his computer screen to the position where AirAsia flight QZ8501 went missing on Dec 28, 2014. An American aviation expert has said that it is "standard practice" for commercial planes to fly around bad weather instead of above it, as it seems to have been in the case of AirAsia flight QZ8501. -- PHOTO: AFP

By Jalelah Abu Baker

SINGAPORE - It is "standard practice" for commercial planes to fly around bad weather instead of above it, as it seems to have been in the case of AirAsia flight QZ8501, an aviation expert has said.

Should the plane enter a cumulunimbus cloud, a dense towering cloud associated w thunderstorms, several problems may arise, said Mark D Martin of United States-based firm Martin Consulting. These include heavy updrafts and downdrafts, and a dramatic loss in altitude, he said.

Air Asia Indonesia said the pilot of a flight that went missing between Indonesia and Singapore early Sunday had requested "deviation" from its flight plan because of bad weather. It had been flying at 32,000 feet and had asked to fly at 38,000 feet to avoid clouds.

If the plane had flown into a thunderstorm when it was between 31,000 ft to 38,000 ft in the air, icing on control surfaces while in the cloud can also freeze corrective pilot actions, and provoke aggressive aircraft manouevres, said Mr Martin.

"As pilots flying in those regions are specifically checked out to fly in regional airspace conditions with an instructor, which is heavy clouds, weather, traffic and winds, despite having the best weather radar installed on the aircraft, standard practice is to fly around weather rather than above it," he said.

He added that with 155 passengers on board, it appears that the aircraft was "heavy" and the fuel in its tanks was "was not entirel burnt" to allow the plane to climb.

With a sea mass that spans nearly 2000 islands, Indonesia maintains and operates one the region's "most formidable" Search & Rescue Operations backed with a well-structured Coast Guard, Maritime Surveillance and modern coastal petrol and rescue aircraft and helicopter fleet, Mr Martin said.

"In the unfortunate event of AirAsia Flight QZ 8501 ditching into the sea, it does become clear that at least one of the three Emergency Locator Transmitters broadcasting on the universal Emergency Frequency of 121.5 Mhz should have activated," he said.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
I wonder if budget airlines apply the safety constraints of all major airlines to the letter.Perhaps their pilots are indirectly forced into a situation of taking more risks to save money.
 

broadsword

Brigadier
Deja Vu or what?

Aviation expert asks why AirAsia transmitter failed to activate on QZ8501

December 29, 2014 2:03PM


AS the search resumes for a missing AirAsia Indonesia aircraft, an aviation expert has questioned why the electronic locator transmitter on the plane did not activate.

Captain Des Ross who specialises in aviation security and risk assessment, said all modern aircraft were fitted with an ELT that automatically activated when an aircraft crashed into water, or on land.

He said information from the transmitters would be relayed to satellites and on to search and rescue agencies, such as Australian Marine Search And Rescue (AMSAR) in Canberra.

“It’s pretty bad luck if that doesn’t work. It’s not intended to be disabled. Even if you disconnect the power entirely it’s still got a battery in it,” said Capt Ross.

“They’re normally pretty reliable devices, and yet we’re not hearing anything about it (in the case of QZ8501) or in MH370.

“That’s a little bit strange.”

At this point, the disappearance of the A320-200 carrying 162 passengers and crew seemed “somewhat similar” to MH370, Capt Ross said.

“That’s the scary part. It just disappeared from the screen, with no communication whatsoever,” he said.

“I’m on the side that it could well be a weather-related event, and I use the term “related” intentionally because although the weather could’ve ultimately destroyed the aircraft, the aircraft should not have been there if the weather was that bad.”

The aircraft was flying from Surabaya to Singapore and last radioed for permission to ascend and deviate from its flight path to avoid severe weather.

No further communication was made, and the A320-200 then vanished from radar screens.

But the flight data recorder revealed there was chaos in the cockpit at the time.

“A junior officer was in the pilot’s seat and there was total disorientation and confusion among the crew,” said Capt Ross.

“I don’t believe we’re looking at the same thing here (with QZ8501) but it is all speculation at this point.”
 

delft

Brigadier
This doesn't remind me of other lost Malaysian aircraft so much as of the Air France Airbus 340 lost over the South Atlantic a few years ago. Yesterday I read a rumor that there was confusion on the flight deck immediately before the aircraft disappeared from the radar screens. The difference is that the aircraft was on the radar and so the place it disappeared is reasonably well known. Also the seas there aren't deep so it should be found soon and the back boxes will be read out.
I may be wrong, this aircraft and MH370 may have beem taken by aliens and are now on their way to another planet, but I don't think so.
 
At this point maybe the thread should be renamed "Disappearance of MH370 and QZ8501" so it's easier to keep track of new developments in both cases. They will probably remain unsolved mysteries for a while, and imagine all the money, time, and effort spent by multiple countries looking to solve them.
 

delft

Brigadier
QZ8501's disappearence will not last long. If something similar happened to it as happened to MH370 it still cannot be far, it didn't have the fuel, and it will be found within a few days.
 

no_name

Colonel
It is things like this that may bite you in the rear end later on:

'Rest assured... your plane will never get lost': AirAsia's shocking boast in company magazine days after MH370 vanished

-Anger erupted after passenger posted picture of article in its in-flight mag
-Budget carrier forced into humiliating apology and withdrew publication
-AirAsia boss said it was printed before disappearance of MH370 in March


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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Interesting how the debate over real-time tracking has come up again. Here's a twist that I saw on CNN where a company has come forward that says they have the satellite infrastructure ready to bring real-time satellite tracking for airliners across the globe. And that company is Inmarsat...

[video=youtube;a1Y73sPHKxw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw[/video]
 
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Air Force Brat

Brigadier
Super Moderator
This doesn't remind me of other lost Malaysian aircraft so much as of the Air France Airbus 340 lost over the South Atlantic a few years ago. Yesterday I read a rumor that there was confusion on the flight deck immediately before the aircraft disappeared from the radar screens. The difference is that the aircraft was on the radar and so the place it disappeared is reasonably well known. Also the seas there aren't deep so it should be found soon and the back boxes will be read out.
I may be wrong, this aircraft and MH370 may have beem taken by aliens and are now on their way to another planet, but I don't think so.

Exactly my thoughts master delft, the older airbus has a vertical stab that is secured to the fuse with six large bolts, we know that Air Asia was trying to get out of some weather, and had requested, but were denied a higher altitude due to traffic....... Don't fly good airplanes into Thunderstorms......... period! Doesn't really matter what you are flying, it will lose the game if you continue to tempt fate????

Here is the scenario, you are Zero Viz, in cloud, severe convective activity, the nose is going up and down, the wings are rolling back and forth, the aircraft is yawing wildly??? full aileron deflection and you still don't have it under control, step on the rudder to pick up the wing, not to responsive yet, so STEP ON THE RUDDER,,,,,, that vert will shear OFF, those bolts attract stress, carbon fibre loves to crack, not really, but it does crack, and those cracks propogate rapidly and without any real red flags going up??? Air Frances Pitot tubes iced up, auto pilot kicked OFF on its own, you can't dream of the shaking and vibration that a full blown CB contains, its literally hell in a thunderstorm, a special hell that can destroy a perfectly airworthy aircraft in a nano-second?

If this all sounds too simple and familiar, it is, but it will continue to happen, cause we all have get there itus, we are in a hurry and the boss in the back will NOT accept excuses or delays, nor will your dispatcher,,,,,, you better make that gate, or you may soon be unemployed???? on the other hand an Indonesian pilot, an French co-pilot, sound like trouble yet????:p:p:p:p:p
 
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