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Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

Mig, that's cooperation not merger. Joint programs are a dime a dozen. On top of which these are only likely to get some of Latin America to buy it. I highly doubt one of those nations is Brazil is going to trade in there top of the line Super Tucano in for it.

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Mig, that's cooperation not merger. Joint programs are a dime a dozen. On top of which these are only likely to get some of Latin America to buy it. I highly doubt one of those nations is Brazil is going to trade in there top of the line Super Tucano in for it.

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Terrain

UNASUR 1 is part of the Consejo inter Americano de Defensa (inter American defence counsel), Brazil is included there.

In fact there are talks in FAdeA about making the Pulqui III a new jet fighter, but UNASUR is allowing Argentina lead the program as well as KC-390 is lead by Embraer

watch video it has English Subtitles

[video=youtube;tQDxgSs0kbg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQDxgSs0kbg[/video]

In this video you can see the UNASUR 1 Model
[video=youtube;SGvxaq0gsJI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGvxaq0gsJI[/video]

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

Mig its a military procurement think tank with money. Its up to the end nations even if they are members to make the call on orders. They do so by comparing what they have vs the new product. Its also not proof of any grand pan south American nation. Such committees exist all over the world. Its voluntary and its output is nonbinding.
You need a major political push my friend.

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Mig its a military procurement think tank with money. Its up to the end nations even if they are members to make the call on orders. They do so by comparing what they have vs the new product. Its also not proof of any grand pan south American nation. Such committees exist all over the world. Its voluntary and its output is nonbinding.
You need a major political push my friend.

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Terran


I am not south american but only latin american, South America has the will and the desire of integrate, that is the main purpose of Mercorsur and UNASUR.

However integration takes decades, specially since Brazil and Argentina are still only domestic economies and they are still far from a monetary Union, however they already have stablished some elements like a Military school for UNASUR and if you just google, Consejo Interamericano de defensa you get many results like this i will give you a few examples of November and October 2013 news

Colombia will chair the South American Defense Council of UNASUR
Colombia presidirá el Consejo Suramericano de Defensa de la UNASUR

Brasil y Argentina anuncian la creación de un grupo bilateral para cooperación en Defensa cibernética
Brazil and Argentina announced the creation of a bilateral cooperation on cyber defense


Rossi: “La integración regional es un desafío en el cual la defensa cumple un rol fundamental”
Rossi: "Regional integration is a challenge in which the defense has a key role"


Why they have gathered? the answer is easy, after the falkland`s war, Argentina and many Latin american nations saw the US allowed a foreign power to do war on a latin american country despite the US was in a treaty with Latin american to defend any american nation from a none american power, so South America decided to create a South american defense association.

In the 1990s Mexico and the US signed a free trade agreement, the US wanted south america in the agreement, this was not what Brazil wanted neither Argentina, so the made Mercosur.


For what i am reading i can tell you the purchase of the next argentinian fighter jet plane will require very likely tech transfers, since they want to make the Consejo inter americano de defensa a thing more complex that a few treaties, since FAdeA wants to re-start the defense industry.

Unasur 1 is just the realistic first step to do it, Pulqui III is still just a perspective plan for a future fighter that might be based or not on JF-17, but since Brazil already started building jet engines and they have designed to my knowledge more than 3 models is very likely Argentina wants to not be left behind and wants to recover the lost decades of 1990s and early 2000s

Here is the vice president of CATIC, Wu Jiajia in Argentina in 2011 when the signed the Z-11 helicopter license agreement

[video=youtube;aq_PS01-Qrw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_PS01-Qrw[/video]

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

Mig I am well aware of your location, as well as your evidence, but its not evidence of a massive game changing geopolitical move its only so far proof of a defense acquisition pact.
Its like saying that Mexico the USA and Canada are all going to become a massive power nation because of Nafta or that NATO means the Europe will merge with the USA. Or Africa will merge because of the African union. Is it possible? Maybe but it will take a lot longer then you or I have to live. Maybe by the mid point of the next century. But these are small events not really evidence of the massive formation you are describing.
A Pan south American nation would have to establish a common economic model, political structure, foreign affairs, law structure, military command, strategic aims and infrastructure that takes decades at best. The first step to this though is stability Latin America lacks that, there are a tremendous number of boarder disputes, political infighting, uncertainty,

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Mig I am well aware of your location, as well as your evidence, but its not evidence of a massive game changing geopolitical move its only so far proof of a defense acquisition pact.
Its like saying that Mexico the USA and Canada are all going to become a massive power nation because of Nafta or that NATO means the Europe will merge with the USA. Or Africa will merge because of the African union. Is it possible? Maybe but it will take a lot longer then you or I have to live. Maybe by the mid point of the next century. But these are small events not really evidence of the massive formation you are describing.
A Pan south American nation would have to establish a common economic model, political structure, foreign affairs, law structure, military command, strategic aims and infrastructure that takes decades at best. The first step to this though is stability Latin America lacks that, there are a tremendous number of boarder disputes, political infighting, uncertainty,

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Terran

South america has a model of development already, if they will do it in 2 or 3 decades i do not know at this moment they want to do it and they are doing it, they are in the first steps of integration and they are very likely where Europe was in the late 1970s early 1980s.

what i am saying is what is behind in my opinion behind the purchase of the new fighters for the air force of Argentina.
In the video where the vice president of CATIC, Wu Jiajia was Argentina in 2011 when the signed the Z-11 helicopter license agreement, they mention that one of FAdeA`s main purpose and objective is build and design domestic aircraft as they did in the 1940s, so UNASUR is allowing Argentina to start the first step by creating a market for UNASUR 1, i do not know if you speak Spanish, but in the interview they said that.

Brazil`s strategy is similar but they opted for a cargo jet aircraft where they will not only sell it in UNASUR but also in the world, so Brazil`s strategy is with a wider scope, however FAdeA makes parts for the KC-390 as well as ENAER of Chile, so if you can see you will see the strategy is very much in line of what France and Germany did.

Re: New interceptors for the Argentine Air Force?

Jeff Head said:

Sorry Mig-29, I can see a group of South American nations working together on technical issues for their militaries and perhaps even alliances between several of them.

But a unification of South America? Really, you honestly think so?

I do not.

No way do I see Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Ecuador, Venezuela, Uruguya, Paraguay, and Columbia setting aside their differences, let alone their national identities, to unite into a single nation, or even something like the European Union.

Short of some kind of world-wide compelling reason...life or death, survival of the species type thing...like an alien invasion, I just do not see that happening in my or your life time, or that of our great grandkids.

But that's just my opinion.

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Sorry mi amigo Mig-29, but i do not see this happening. There is still a great deal of mistrust and anomosity between several South American nation.

Re: New life to older aircraft

I can’t believe that a refurbished Kfir is selling for $US 20million! Colombia just purchased some. The refurbishment includes: new wiring; a cockpit equipped for day and night operations and in poor weather conditions; and air-to-air refueling for long-range missions, etc……….
For that price buy a JF-17, at least it new, has better turning radius than a kifr and it won’t lose airspeed in turns

Re: New life to older aircraft

andyhugfan said:

20 million?! This sure is some powerfull jewitry at work here

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Hey friend, please NO BIGOTRY here, just aircraft comments.......

Re: New life to older aircraft

Unmanned version of A-10 on way
by Staff Writers SpaceDaily
Manassas, Va. (UPI) Feb 20, 2012

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Aurora Flight Sciences has been selected to work on a U.S. military project for an unmanned version of the A-10 close support aircraft.

Its selection as a team member in the Persistent Close Air Support program of the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency was made by Raytheon, which is leading the effort.

Aurora, with extensive experience in robotic aerial vehicles, will be responsible for developing the demonstrator aircraft.

"Aurora's selection by Raytheon to develop critical air vehicle technologies for the DARPA PCAS program is a major step in our relationship, which began with the Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle and Loiter Attack Missile programs in the 1990s," said John Langford, Aurora's president and chief executive officer.

"We are looking forward to working closely with Raytheon on a wide range of unmanned systems technologies in the future."

For the PCAS program, Raytheon envisages development of technologies to reduce the timeline for close air support with "improved coordination among controllers, airborne sensors and weapon systems.

Other members of the PCAS team include Rockwell Collins and GE Aviation.

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the concept art makes me worried it looks like the gun is missing. The AVENGER is the best feature of the A10 a cannon that chews up tanks and spits 30mm Death worthy of being called a "Force of Nature"