London Summer Olympics 2012

solarz said:

Hard training, yes absolutely!

Child abuse? Maybe in your opinion, but certainly not in the opinion of those children's parents, and apparently, certainly not in the opinion of the athletes themselves once they grow up. How many people in the USA do you know sends their kids to abusive institutions?

Or are you imagining that the parents know nothing of the training conditions of their kids? Or that the kids, once grown up, have been so brainwashed by the evil commies that they don't even realize they've been abused? Or perhaps the government kidnaps the kids and force them to become Olympic champions?

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lol if a grow man step on child leg while her leg is pinched. you call that hard trainning, obviously you don't have kids. how about ask your parents about it.
lets look at all the abuse example in US. how long before people reliaze the coach of penn state was abusing young mens.
like i said, we all know how strict chinese teacher are, been a poor peasant kids train in gym the coach is on a different level. next time go to china and check it yourself

This reminds me:



How old do you think these guys start training at? How come we don't hear cries of "child abuse" against those guys?

s002wjh said:

lol if a grow man step on child leg while her leg is pinched. you call that hard trainning, obviously you don't have kids. how about ask your parents about it.

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LOL, again with the completely unsubstantiated photo.




Is it just me, or did yahoo just change its default sorting to sort by gold medals? Just when the US started having more gold and less overall medals than China?

s002wjh said:

yes, china is a happy place, the teach is not strict, and the coach never train kids like that. you are full of yourself. why not goto one of those gym next time you visit china. i've seen plently ultra nationlist chinese defend china at any cost. complaining western media but ignore any source that could be true and call it false. like i said most of you here travel to china, i travel there quite abit, this is easy to verify next time anyone go back to china.

so basically you call the source lies, and bias only CCTV is true huh. i think you need distinguish western bias vs something that is true, something that can happen in china.

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Problem with you is that all your opinion is base on circumstantial evidence, what you heard, what you think, what other people said. And then you want to use this very limited 2nd hand experience and try to apply to the entire nation, and judge them by it.

And just because you are Chinese does not make you credible, an informed American's opinion base on fact, data and evidence is much more credible than someone who heard something from someone else. Solaz at least have some kind of link to back up what he is saying, if you like to argue, why don't you also provide the same evidence of widespread torture of athletes in China, then we'll look at your evidence and exam it.

icbeodragon said:

Now I love rooting for my home team as much as the next guy and also keep track of the medal charts, but you are focusing too hard on the medal counts. chill out.


Also in general this thread is really giving me the impression of some of the posters wanting China to be a victim in a massive 'western' media plot rather than it actually being one.
This is the olympics, a collection of sporting event to try to find the best in the world, granted, but its not a space race.

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That's funny. It's the Chinese only whining about plots? Ironic that Chinese are suppose to chill out when they see a plot. What would be the reaction if all the Chinese media did was question US medal wins and bring up the Balko scandal as proof of cheating and harrass their athletes with accusations of cheating? I love how the accusers talk as if there are no steroid scandals in their own countries right now at this minute. Just don't talk about it and it's the same as if it never happened.

It reminds me of a friend's kid who was relentlessly rude and obnoxious to adults because he knew he could in this age anyone can be easily accused being a child abuser. So one adult I knew decided to talk back in his own language and it looked very childish but I knew exactly what he was doing because to speak in what I knew he wanted to would make him look like he was abusing the kid. And what he did definitely worked because the kid walked away in silence after it. If you have a problem with the level of language...well that's what the countries that believe their athletes are victims of a Chinese plot have brought it down to. Really, watch TV and see all the children pointing finger and crying to mommy that China took away the medal mommy told them belonged to them in the first place.

Yeah I know, the Chinese are suppose to know their place and keep quiet. There goes all that bull about everyone is created equal. No wonder an Asian woman I know tells me of stories of how some men she dates think they're victims of Asian racism because she doesn't cook and clean for them. One even expected her mother to be his maid and keep his apartment for him and he actually got angry when that didn't happen.

Coaches and parents that pushes their pupil's and children's too hard to the point of abuse happens everywhere. In China, Russia, America, Europe and else were in the world. I believe that every olympian have shed tears in their youth and especially those in gymnastics and other sports that requires the body to do extraordinary things that are beyond a normal human being. So it's to me naïve to think that there are no abuses happening in China it certainly happens else were in the world. However that Daily Mail article suggest that this only happens in China and that the entire Chinese sporting system is abusive. I think that's wrong. It's pure sensationalisme to sell more newspapers and preys on people's ignorence and prejudice. And from a lot of the responses in the comment section it appears to be working.

jackliu said:

Problem with you is that all your opinion is base on circumstantial evidence, what you heard, what you think, what other people said. And then you want to use this very limited 2nd hand experience and try to apply to the entire nation, and judge them by it.

And just because you are Chinese does not make you credible, an informed American's opinion base on fact, data and evidence is much more credible than someone who heard something from someone else. Solaz at least have some kind of link to back up what he is saying, if you like to argue, why don't you also provide the same evidence of widespread torture of athletes in China, then we'll look at your evidence and exam it.

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right live in china for over a decade. inlaws, grandparents, parents, wife all chinese, all the stuff ive seen in china, experienced and heard from my relative are 2nd hand. only you guys are right. all the negative ariticle about china is bias and wrong.
i already provide link check previous few post. now i never said widespread, but just saying these thing exist and more common than you guys suggest. you guys saying these are hard trainning, abuse don't exist. i say with that many gym in china, and with chinese culture emphsize on discipline/strict etc. these things happen much more than other western country.

if you guys want to keep defending china dispite my provide link, just go back to china and check it out.

and i'm done with the argument clearly there are too many ultra nationlist here to argue with

s002wjh said:

right. everything is happy and cool in china. coach never train the kids borderline abuse. you are full of your self think this is not happen. most chinese would know these thing as they live in china got the 1st hand experience. i live in china for decades, most my relative are chinese, clearly i know more about these thing than you or you just try to be nationlist and defend anything bad happen in china?

and how the heck i'm bias when i'm grow up in china or is it everything that doesn't suit your perspective is bias? i understand there are western media bias, but some of these news are not all false or bias opinions. by ignore everynews and call it bias, you are just bias if not more than some western media. its call ultra nationlism.

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better yet if you are in china or next you go there why not check it our your self at one of small gym to see how they train.

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Well, I'm not from China. I've long learned to be very critical of what the media will like you to believe. But if that's really what you want to believe, it's really none of my business.

Quickie said:

Well, I'm not from China. I've long learned to be very critical of what the media will like you to believe. But if that's really what you want to believe, it's really none of my business.

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well i'm from china, and i know 1st hand 4th grade how my teacher beat up my classmate after he fail to do his homework. slap on the hand, stand outstand one leg holding books on two hand is easy punishment compare to that little girl on that picture.

as for western bias, yes its certainly exist but not all of them are wrong, some does have some truth in it. its really use my experience as chinese-american to know which is false which is true or "this can happen in china base on my experience, and from talking to other chinese"

s002wjh said:

right live in china for over a decade. inlaws, grandparents, parents, wife all chinese, all the stuff ive seen in china, experienced and heard from my relative are 2nd hand. only you guys are right. all the negative ariticle about china is bias and wrong.
i already provide link check previous few post. now i never said widespread, but just saying these thing exist and more common than you guys suggest. you guys saying these are hard trainning, abuse don't exist. i say with that many gym in china, and with chinese culture emphsize on discipline/strict etc. these things happen much more than other western country.

if you guys want to keep defending china dispite my provide link, just go back to china and check it out.

and i'm done with the argument clearly there are too many ultra nationlist here to argue with

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You mean this link?


I thought the whole point of this discussion is to dispute that torture is widespread in China, and it does not happen else where. So if you want your evidence to be the original link in dispute, that does not really make a lot sense does it? It is like a Christian says can proof God's existence, and the proof is in the Bible, so how can we know Bible is true, because the Bible says so.

Provide another sources, a more unbiased sources to make your argument.

Oh and no one is arguing that China don't train it is athletes hard, but we are also pointing out that they are not being forced to do so, those kids are fully aware of what they are going. And the same amount of hard training exists in all nations outside China as well, however the media only like to focus on China on their harsh training to explain their success, while ignore all other similar things from all other nation around the world.

Oh and just because we are saying this, does not mean we are defending China or defending the Chinese government, or defending the Chinese media. The concept that if you are against the Iraq invasion, you must be against America.

Oh and again... you are not offering any secondary sources, except more from your own experience, or what you heard, what other people said etc... We are waiting for your link that support your argument that widespread athletes abuse exist in China and everyone else besides China is clean.