London Summer Olympics 2012

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SampanViking

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Yes Indeed Britain has made a remarkable climb in the medals table, clawing back from a less than auspicious start at the very beginning.

The games never lose their ability to surprise however and among the victories have been a few unexpected defeats.

Standing out in these must be the failure of Swimmer Rebecca Adlington to take the Gold in the Womens 800M Freestyle final today. Instead she was pushed in to Bronze by a Genetically modified US fifteen year old Katie Ledecky who; most disturbingly, has never swum competitively before these Games.

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Obama gives an encouraging phone call to the US Olympics team and tells them in no uncertain terms what to expect if they fail to beat the Chinese Medal tally!

Just my little bit of fun:eek:
 

vesicles

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I agree that there is no plot, simply bias. A new comer always gets the scrutiny, be it on the streets, sports teams, international competitions, etc.
 

icbeodragon

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That's funny. It's the Chinese only whining about plots? Ironic that Chinese are suppose to chill out when they see a plot.

Those Chinese on this forum who characterize 'western media' as a single entity (or even multiple entities in this particular context) bent on casting doubt on a Chinese athlete's accomplishments and try to characterize the UK judges as non-neutral should chill out.

What would be the reaction if all the Chinese media did was question US medal wins and bring up the Balko scandal as proof of cheating and harrass their athletes with accusations of cheating?

The reaction by most? They wouldn't care. The reaction by me? I wouldn't care because its the judges that enforce the rules, not the media.

This ignores that there have been plenty of articles in 'the western media' defending Ye Shiwen or placing the majority of the blame on the rules/committee rather than the players in the case of badminton.


I love how the accusers talk as if there are no steroid scandals in their own countries right now at this minute. Just don't talk about it and it's the same as if it never happened.

For one I hope you aren't painting me as accusing Ye Shiwen of anything, and two, Most will forget what happened a week or two after the Olympics ended.

It reminds me of a friend's kid who was relentlessly rude and obnoxious to adults because he knew he could in this age anyone can be easily accused being a child abuser. So one adult I knew decided to talk back in his own language and it looked very childish but I knew exactly what he was doing because to speak in what I knew he wanted to would make him look like he was abusing the kid. And what he did definitely worked because the kid walked away in silence after it. If you have a problem with the level of language...well that's what the countries that believe their athletes are victims of a Chinese plot have brought it down to. Really, watch TV and see all the children pointing finger and crying to mommy that China took away the medal mommy told them belonged to them in the first place.
I've been reading the media, and I've seen nothing of the sort from the athletes, just those expressing amazement at the time. In fact the only opinion i've seen that holds any weight that takes the side of suspicion is that one coach who was the start of all this in the first place, and then those who have referenced it.

As for a problem, I have no problem that I care enough to demand to see stopped immediately, but this is a forum for opinion, so I gave my opinion.

Yeah I know, the Chinese are suppose to know their place and keep quiet. There goes all that bull about everyone is created equal. No wonder an Asian woman I know tells me of stories of how some men she dates think they're victims of Asian racism because she doesn't cook and clean for them. One even expected her mother to be his maid and keep his apartment for him and he actually got angry when that didn't happen.

Lol since when does my opinion that some Chinese on this forum should chill out suddenly mean that 'Chinese are suppose to know their place and keep quiet'??

What does this story have to do with anything I said??
 

icbeodragon

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We're not all a bunch of masochists and want to feel sorry for ourselves, we don't want there to be a "plot". In fact there is no "plot," nothing so obvious or malevolent. It's just simple bias.

Thank god, and I never implied that every Chinese on SDF was. As for bias, I expect that, especially in the Olympics where every country is rooting for its home team. America is going to cover American athletes, China is going to cover Chinese athletes, etc. But some of the accusations I've seen on here, like the UK not being a 'neutral enough country' are ridiculous.



The fact is that all media are biased from their own perspectives, but the problem is taht western media has a greater image of legitimacy.

Well can't really help that :p
 

AssassinsMace

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Well the only ones bringing up a "plot" are those that can't defend against counter arguments. They want to make it sound that people dare to counter them are paranoid. It's like when it's charged that someone is a terrorist sympathizer if you care about due process of justice and human rights. It's an intimidation tactic to stop anyone from interfering from what they want to do. In this case being able to charge cheating without those accused having any right to a defense. It comes down to those that can't argue, insult instead. That's how they stop people from exercising their rights. Really a great way to teach China about human rights.
 

bladerunner

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You guys heard about "the cycling scandal". The Chinese team won the Gold but was later DQed and had to settle for a silver. Their coach, a French, complained that the Chinese were not treated equally at the Olympics. The officials who handed out the DQ would not even look at the slow-mo when the coach asked. They said they didn't have time to do it. The athletes train their whole life for this moment. Yet the officials would not spend a minute to look at the play-back... Talking about double standard...

Apparently there is no appeal process in the sportAccording to a statement made when fining the Chinese team there is no process of appeal in . I forgot where i read it but they had decided to do away with the right of appeal some time back.

In the article that Jack Liu posted the french coach said

"He said Guo and Gong had ridden exactly the same in qualifying and the first round and logically should have been disqualified then if they did anything wrong."

Has it occured to him that they let him get away with because it was in the earlier rounds and so minor where China, a favoured medal team was racing against a team that really had no show based on the PB's so they overlooked it.But in a gold ride off that infringment could not be overlooked. Whereas the British team infringment was so obvious, it couldnt be overlooked.?

Anyway they should consider themselves fortunate not to have the silver medal taken off them and thrown out of the contest for their antics.

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According to the communique, all the teams are reminded that no team members are allowed on the judges podium during competition, all inquires regarding decisions have to be made at the end of the competition, and no team members are allowed on the starters podium, stairs, ramps or railings during competition.

It also said that there are no appeals to decisions made by the Panel, which means it denied Chinese cycling team's appeal for the relegated silver.
 

AssassinsMace

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Those Chinese on this forum who characterize 'western media' as a single entity (or even multiple entities in this particular context) bent on casting doubt on a Chinese athlete's accomplishments and try to characterize the UK judges as non-neutral should chill out.



The reaction by most? They wouldn't care. The reaction by me? I wouldn't care because its the judges that enforce the rules, not the media.

This ignores that there have been plenty of articles in 'the western media' defending Ye Shiwen or placing the majority of the blame on the rules/committee rather than the players in the case of badminton.




For one I hope you aren't painting me as accusing Ye Shiwen of anything, and two, Most will forget what happened a week or two after the Olympics ended.

I've been reading the media, and I've seen nothing of the sort from the athletes, just those expressing amazement at the time. In fact the only opinion i've seen that holds any weight that takes the side of suspicion is that one coach who was the start of all this in the first place, and then those who have referenced it.

As for a problem, I have no problem that I care enough to demand to see stopped immediately, but this is a forum for opinion, so I gave my opinion.



Lol since when does my opinion that some Chinese on this forum should chill out suddenly mean that 'Chinese are suppose to know their place and keep quiet'??

What does this story have to do with anything I said??

Those Chinese on this forum who characterize 'western media' as a single entity (or even multiple entities in this particular context) bent on casting doubt on a Chinese athlete's accomplishments and try to characterize the UK judges as non-neutral should chill out.

Just like there's a plot by China to steal their gold? Who's the one seeing conspiracy everywhere. What ever happened to innocent before proven guilty?

The reaction by most? They wouldn't care. The reaction by me? I wouldn't care because its the judges that enforce the rules, not the media.

This ignores that there have been plenty of articles in 'the western media' defending Ye Shiwen or placing the majority of the blame on the rules/committee rather than the players in the case of badminton.

I live in the US. And you know why Americans hate China. Simply because they think Chinese hate Americans. So who are the ones that care about what others think? Americans only think Chinese hate them because that's what they've been taught to believe and not from actual experience. And they're basing their feelings solely on that. So if they saw the kind of negative reaction from the Western media placed on them instead from China and accusations of cheating just because an American beat a Chinese especially in light of Chinese cheating in the past, they would react negatively. You remember when the Japanese Prime Minister made racist remarks about Africans? Where I live people gathered at a Japanese restaurant owned by an American calling for a boycott of this restaurant. When the spy plane incident occured, people on the radio were calling for a boycott of Chinese restaurants in the US. And you're going to tell me they're going to react sensibly?

So what if there are those in the Western media defending Ye. That's not the point. You can be said defending the accusers by painting any who questions as paranoid for seeing what you say is a plot. It all evens out so don't complain then by your own logic and let those express their right to an opinion just as you believe it's all right for those in the Western media to make the accusation. And what you don't understand is no one is demanding that they stop. I just see people pointing out they're a bunch of hypocrites. There's a difference. Again that's like people I hear think free speech is they have a right to say anything they want but if anyone dares to question or challenge what they said, that's violating their free speech.

For one I hope you aren't painting me as accusing Ye Shiwen of anything, and two, Most will forget what happened a week or two after the Olympics ended.


I don't know what your opinion is. I have a problem that you seem to want to stifle anyone's right to challenge the accusation. I thought everyone had the same rights.

I've been reading the media, and I've seen nothing of the sort from the athletes, just those expressing amazement at the time. In fact the only opinion i've seen that holds any weight that takes the side of suspicion is that one coach who was the start of all this in the first place, and then those who have referenced it.

As for a problem, I have no problem that I care enough to demand to see stopped immediately, but this is a forum for opinion, so I gave my opinion.

What you just stated has nothing to do with what I said. You complained about the level of conversation. It's just like the Libya War thread regarding the Jasmine Revolutuion in this forum. It had nothing to do with China but there were those in here that involved China to blame simply because the CHinese media didn't report what was happening as fast as they would like concluding China was on the side of Khadaffi. That anti-China accusation can be hidden under the guise that this is a Chinese military forum and a legtimate point of conversation. But if people were to point the absolute hypocrisy that Western countries opened relations with Khadaffy that oppressed these very same people in the Jasmine Revolution decades long before the West opened their arms to him.. just as was exercised, it was regarded out of bound conversation because this a Chinese military forum and has nothing to do with West. Same thing in here because I can personally state lot more indicting facts about performance enhancing abuse in the US in general but it has no direct context with the London games and would be out of bound. That's how the converstion has to work its way around it to which you seem not to like.

Lol since when does my opinion that some Chinese on this forum should chill out suddenly mean that 'Chinese are suppose to know their place and keep quiet'??

What does this story have to do with anything I said??

Because you seem to have a problem with anyone challenging the accusations. You say people in here see plot yet you don't see the accuser's seeing plot against them? They're the ones that accused plot first. So if you have a problem with the Chinese side seeing a plot, my story of distorted inequality as a right for one side is what it's all about. These guys believed that an Asian woman cooking and cleaning for them is their right. Ironic for those that supposedly believe in justice and equality for all.
 
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plawolf

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An interesting rule of thumb observation I have made that seems to generally hold true is those who proscribe "chillaxing" as the solution to someone else's grievances tend not to have ever suffered from bias or prejudice themselves. A significant proportion of those who tell others they should just chill out also tend to be the types who cause offense in the first place.

It is adding insult to injury for people who feel they have been wronged to to have their concerns and grievances belittled by people who have no idea what it is like to be on the receiving end of abuse. Think way back to your school days, who tended to be the types to constantly tell others chill out when they get upset by the actions of others? Is it the caring thoughtful types or the bully jocks who probably caused the offense to start with?

Whether some takes offense from something is largely subjective. No one else has the right to tell someone they are wrong to be upset in the first place. That is typically the reserve of bullies and racists and their apologists. I am not calling anyone here a bully or racist, but perhaps some of you are not fully aware of the kind of company you are keeping by so casually dismissing the concerns of others.

If you disagree about specific cases and either don't agree that there is bias or hypocrisy or feel that something has been blown out of proportion or taken out of context, that is your right and by all means share with us your views on why you don't think something is biased or unfair.

However, if you accept that there is bias and unfairness, you simply cannot dictate how others should feel about it, no one has the right to tell others how they should feel.
 
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