Lessons for China to learn from Ukraine conflict for Taiwan scenario

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lych470

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460 M-60A3 TTF MBT
450 CM-11 (Taiwan assembled M-60 chasis with M-48 turret) MBT
100 CM-12 (M-48A) tank
100 M-41 Light tank
400+ CM-42 8 wheel IFV/APC/Light tank etc
1,000+ CM-21 (variants of M-113 IFV/APC)
300 V-150 wheel armored vehicle
7,000+ Humvee
60 M-110A2 203mm SPA
260+ M-109A2/A5/6 155mm SPA.

Not until 2024. That’s what they say. They are building bunkers to house them.

I wonder what percentage of roads in Taiwan can handle the 66t Abrams...
 

lych470

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One takeaway that I would like to see some discussion on is the role of anti-riot gear/non lethal in a future Taiwan scenario.

As the West blurs the line between civilians and combatants (the fact that all Ukrainian men are prevented from fleeing at the borders sickens me greatly), and as civilians try to interfere in war, should non-lethal or less lethal weapons be issued to front line troops should an invasion occur? Should PAP be included in a TW scenario?

Naturally, I think when PRC boots are on the ground in TW, the war would already be a foregone conclusion but the optics/hearts and minds would be much better if PRC soldiers are not seen gunning down people in civilian clothes.
 

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Seeing some of the footage today, going in expecting to be welcomed with roses needs to be dismissed. If it happens then great, but I've seen so many WTF moments where Russian soldiers have clearly been put in needless danger because of their attitude.

It makes me question the WW2 era images of invaders being welcomed as liberators, mindsets have changed a lot since then. The civilians back then probably thought if they didn't show outward friendliness they would be massacred.
 

lych470

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Seeing some of the footage today, going in expecting to be welcomed with roses needs to be dismissed. If it happens then great, but I've seen so many WTF moments where Russian soldiers have clearly been put in needless danger because of their attitude.

It makes me question the WW2 era images of invaders being welcomed as liberators, mindsets have changed a lot since then. The civilians back then probably thought if they didn't show outward friendliness they would be massacred.

Political commissars (better translated as 'instructors' in Chinese) exist for a reason. They should be able to brief the soldiers on what to expect and how to handle those situations.
 

Topazchen

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The vast majority of Taiwan's population lives along a thin strip of flat land within 30km of the Eastern coastline.
Moving Chinese units around Taiwan isn't really an issue.
The problem is landing enough forces onto Taiwan in the first place and then resupplying across the beaches.

And if you want to look at logistics, there are approximately 400 targets that will completely cripple Taiwan's logistics and infrastructure, which would result in military and societal collapse. See below.
I wonder how many Chinese spies are embedded in the Taiwanese army and government. Must be so many
 

Abominable

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One takeaway that I would like to see some discussion on is the role of anti-riot gear/non lethal in a future Taiwan scenario.

As the West blurs the line between civilians and combatants (the fact that all Ukrainian men are prevented from fleeing at the borders sickens me greatly), and as civilians try to interfere in war, should non-lethal or less lethal weapons be issued to front line troops should an invasion occur? Should PAP be included in a TW scenario?

Naturally, I think when PRC boots are on the ground in TW, the war would already be a foregone conclusion but the optics/hearts and minds would be much better if PRC soldiers are not seen gunning down people in civilian clothes.
It should be out of the question. Soldiers are not police officers. The primary goal is to clear the military threat. Once soldiers, tanks etc are dealt with soldiers should move on and let civilian authorities deal with unrest.
 

tch1972

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I wonder what percentage of roads in Taiwan can handle the 66t Abrams...

Not useful except for FIBUA.

Rural roads are too narrow and bridges can't support. Moreover there are lots of soft ground like rice padi. Tanks in close mountainous terrain like Taiwan is meant more as an infantry support weapons. So don't expect tank vs tank scenario. Light tanks will be more suitable.
 

daifo

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Even Open Source are taking sides in the conflict In this case, not sure if the repo owner would pain itself to delete/censor the history of the russian related code, but it is always possible.

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