Ladakh Flash Point
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I've already explained that Idnia never patrolled up to finger 8 and showed eveidence to support that, but I guess we will never agree on that.
China has withdrawn from all land it has occupied and agreed to stop patrolling disputed territory, that is as close to staus quo ante as you can get.
In Depsang, China is at the same position it has been since 2013, which is why the Indian government hasn't considered it a part of the recent standoff. And in Gogra, both sides are on opposite ends of the LAC, so it is not as bad as Pangong.
China has not stopped infrastructure construction on the Indian side. In fact, the original Galwan bridges taht triggered confrontation between Indian and PLA troops have been completed. And the DSDBO Road has been secured which was one of India's strategic goals. Despite what some say, Chinese positions in Depsang do not threatan it.
As for the LOC ceasefire, it is clear you do not know much about recent Indo-Pak dynamics. Both armies regularly hold talks on upholding the 2003 ceasefire, but after August of 2019, Pakistan refused to discuss them. The fact that it afgreed to what India has been asking means that something has changed. Perhaps it could e related to the disengagement deal and Chinese retereat, but we can't know for sure.
Just go on PDF and see what members there have to say, most are unhappy with the ceasefire since it benefits India post August 2019.
Strategic goals were to secure strategic infrastructure projects (like DSDBO) and prevent China from reaching its 1959 claim line. Both were done. With China retreating from Pangong and restoring the buffer zone, Status quo ante is effectively restored.
The simple answer is they stole it from the Indian Police.
I'm not sure if you are joking, but I think they got them from a gear supplier that happens to sell generic riot shields with 'Police' written on it probably because that's where they're commonly used.
Perhaps so. But my answer is equally plausible.
manqiangrexue
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They've always been working out really well for India; that's why it was ahead of China in 1945 and it's a gnome compared to China today.
If some Indians can be fooled to a point where they think the result was defensible (not a tall order since it's basically convincing irrational people to think what they want most to think) and they can argue with the Indians who don't, that's the strategic goal met for the Indian government.
Generally, whenever an Indian anybody says something, it's false but this is wide open for interpretation. It's a win for China because China advanced its line and doesn't have to deal with Indian BS for a while as it tends to important things like the rivalry with the US, and it's a win for India because through some diplomatic efforts, they won't end up losing the entire eastern region and now they can focus on attacking their own farmers.
The only status quo that was restored is that India continues to pat itself on the back for failure (even medalling those who fail the hardest like downed pilots and captured soldiers) giving itself yet another excuse for stagnation while China rips ahead opening the gap further with India and closing the gap with the US at record-breaking speed on all fronts. That's been the status quo for decades.
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Repeating "Status quo restored" won't make it a reality. Status quo had patrols too.
India's retreat from Galwan post is the win China secured in this stand-off.
No. The DSDBO road hasn't been secured, yet. Not with Depsang in China's hand.
First phase disengagement doesn't mean Status quo restoration. You have a weird view of what " Strategic Goals" mean.
China's startegic goal isn't to reach 19XX claim lines. It is to protect its territory and borders.
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Where did you provide evidence for India not patrolling to Finger 8 ?
You've been rebutted consistently on that . Only a bhakt/Jai Hind would resort to delusions like these .
"close to staus quo ante as you can get." - Nice to see some change.
plawolf
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I can see it now, when there are more Indian fatalities from their own unwise advances, the Jai Hind’s new party line is to not only deny that they died, but also claim they were never born to start with.
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