Great tweet. However the author neglected to mention the most factor — discipline.
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Great tweet. However the author neglected to mention the most factor — discipline.
manqiangrexue
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Maybe you should get the terrorists who you claim to back to work as your military instructors instead because they are clearly far more competent. In professional engagements, Pakistan shoots down your jet, and you shoot down your own chopper so your armed forces need a lot of help though your terrorism (as you claim it to be yours) is on its game. How demoralized do you have to be try to claim national credit for terrorist attacks? Whether it's Nazis or terrorists, Indians just want to be associated with anything that mildly resembles competence no matter who it is because competence is what India lacks most.
Hendrik_2000
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A tribute to 2 UAv technician who support the PLA in Ladakh operation seem related to the incident in Galwan valley as they recount helping soldier wounded in the battle
Chinese drone firm honors employees involved in Galwan conflict
By Global TimesPublished: Feb 25, 2021 11:43 PM
At the elevation of over 5,000 meters in Tibet, frontier defense soldiers assigned to a border defense regiment with the Shannan Military Sub-command under the PLA Tibet Military Command trudge along in the waist-deep snow during a snow patrol on January 23, 2021. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Zhang Zhaojie)
A Chinese drone company whose products are used by the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) in border defense missions honored two employees who were involved in the conflict between Chinese and Indian troops in the Galwan Valley in June last year, as they fearlessly supported the PLA in dangerous reconnaissance missions.
Zhao Bo and Shi Zhilong, two employees of the Shenzhen-based drone company Keweitai Enterprise Development Co, acted valiantly and supported the PLA troops in drone reconnaissance missions despite dangerous conditions and the harsh environment at an altitude of more than 5,000 meters in the Galwan Valley, the company revealed in a statement on Wednesday, giving the two awards and urging others to learn from their example.
Zhao and Shi also helped the PLA medical teams in aiding the wounded and prepared meals for the troops when kitchen squads became shorthanded, the statement said, noting that Zhao suffered a fracture in his left foot and a sprain in his right hand, and Shi suffered from serious altitude sickness during the process.
Both employees said they were proud of their deeds, according to the statement.
According to Keweitai's public WeChat account, the company's multi-rotor drones are widely used by the PLA Xinjiang Military Command to monitor and control the border, and by the PLA troops in Southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region to transport supplies to isolated border defense outposts.
In June 2020, the Indian military violated the previous consensus and trespassed over the Line of Actual Control, and despite the Chinese military's attempt to peacefully negotiate, the Indian troops used force which eventually ended up in a conflict that resulted in the death of 20 Indian military personnel and , as the Chinese troops pushed back against Indian aggression.
Chinese drone firm honors employees involved in Galwan conflict
By Global TimesPublished: Feb 25, 2021 11:43 PM
At the elevation of over 5,000 meters in Tibet, frontier defense soldiers assigned to a border defense regiment with the Shannan Military Sub-command under the PLA Tibet Military Command trudge along in the waist-deep snow during a snow patrol on January 23, 2021. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Zhang Zhaojie)
A Chinese drone company whose products are used by the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) in border defense missions honored two employees who were involved in the conflict between Chinese and Indian troops in the Galwan Valley in June last year, as they fearlessly supported the PLA in dangerous reconnaissance missions.
Zhao Bo and Shi Zhilong, two employees of the Shenzhen-based drone company Keweitai Enterprise Development Co, acted valiantly and supported the PLA troops in drone reconnaissance missions despite dangerous conditions and the harsh environment at an altitude of more than 5,000 meters in the Galwan Valley, the company revealed in a statement on Wednesday, giving the two awards and urging others to learn from their example.
Zhao and Shi also helped the PLA medical teams in aiding the wounded and prepared meals for the troops when kitchen squads became shorthanded, the statement said, noting that Zhao suffered a fracture in his left foot and a sprain in his right hand, and Shi suffered from serious altitude sickness during the process.
Both employees said they were proud of their deeds, according to the statement.
According to Keweitai's public WeChat account, the company's multi-rotor drones are widely used by the PLA Xinjiang Military Command to monitor and control the border, and by the PLA troops in Southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region to transport supplies to isolated border defense outposts.
In June 2020, the Indian military violated the previous consensus and trespassed over the Line of Actual Control, and despite the Chinese military's attempt to peacefully negotiate, the Indian troops used force which eventually ended up in a conflict that resulted in the death of 20 Indian military personnel and , as the Chinese troops pushed back against Indian aggression.
What are you talking about? Both India and Pakistan have millitary channels that regularly communicate. Technically there is already an active ceasefire since 2003, however both sides have regularly violated it. Even this year, both sides have suffered casualties. It happens about every other week.
The difference is, India has been open to talks. Pakistan, on the other hand, had been refusing any talks until article 370 is restored. So something obviously changed on Pakistan's end. What it is, we can only speculate.
And Kailash has always been part of the buffer zone. As part of the deal, India is vacating REchin La, Rezang La, Mukhpari, and the points it occupied near Black Top, Helmet Top, Bump etc. While China is withdrawing from Black Top and Helmet Top. That is what mutual disengagement in south Pangong means.
As for Depsang, the situation is the same since 2013. Both sides claim approximately 20 km past the lac. The Y junction is on the Chinese side of the de facto Lac, but is claimed by India. SImilarly, China claims areas on the Indian side such as Burtse. Both sides intercept each others patrols, but China has a tactical advantage due to better infrastructure in the area and more favorable geography. That is the reason Depsang wasn't brought up in the original disengagement talks, because it wasn't even a part of the standoff.
Since we are speculating here, I would think the reason Pakistan agreed to a ceasefire is because since India has effectively secured Status quo ante in Eastern Ladakh, it doesn't have any leverage over India. So it agreed to respect the 2003 ceasefire. Of course, Dr. Moeed Yousef had to save face by saying he had nothing to do with the negotiations, since that would go against Pakistan's refusal to hold talks with India after August 2019.
Whether this holds, is uncertain to say the least.
Anyway, things so far are working out pretty well for India, far better than I thought(Even a month ago, I thought disengagement was not happening any month soon).
As of now status quo ante has been restored in most sectors(Gogra being the exception) and strategic goals met, and at least a temporary cooldown along the loc.
Gen. Naravane was right when he said the disengagement deal was "win-win"
As of now status quo ante has been restored in most sectors(Gogra being the exception) and strategic goals met, and at least a temporary cooldown along the loc.
Gen. Naravane was right when he said the disengagement deal was "win-win"
The left hand picture (when expanded is highly revealing) The Chinese side have the benefits of better helmets and body armour, rather than simply relying on cumbersome shields. Strange as it shows Medieval science repeating itself. I also notice that the Chinese hand weapons look nothing like the rough spiked bars paraded in the media last year.
What were the Strategic goals of India?
Strategic goals of the Indian leadership, prior to the Ladakh clash, was to claim Aksai Chin, with the incursions into the LAC zone planned as part of the initial push.
There is precedence for that -
The Forward Policy, which had sought the raising of military outposts in areas claimed by Chinese and launching of aggressive patrols, increased the chances of conflict, the report has said, suggesting that India was not militarily in a position to implement this.
Status quo hasn't been restored.
"Temporary ". Yes. Indeed.
Disengagement serving both sides is undeniably true because India claiming what China considers part of its territory (as much as I consider India's claims here more justified than China's despite neither side having ever settled there including Tibetans), was simply not going to be allowed unless India offered certain concessions elsewhere. It pays India nothing to continue patrolling up to F8 and associated sections along that particular dispute. It pays China nothing to allow India maintain increasingly hostile attitudes against it by occupying so much of the disputed stretch. If India backs off to F3 then China is happy to oblige with removing PLA from occupying 80% of the disputed land. From China's POV, India backing behind F3 is an improvement to India patrolling up to F8 where both sides intercept one another and confront so frequently since the turn of the century. Also China probably was growing worried with India's build up in Ladakh and understand that the IA can overwhelm that area far quicker with far more troops. Stopping Indian buildup of forces and infrastructure was priority 1, stopping patrols a lower priority. In exchange PLA stopping build up is probably less expensive a cost for China since India can make far better use of military infrastructure in Ladakh. But it remains to be seen how both will keep their promises.
Recent ceasefire with Pakistan was also agreed to by India in the last few weeks. It may be a case of India always hoping for a ceasefire along the LOC but Pakistan agreeing to it should also indicate a new understanding that India is ready to play nice with everyone and NOT a case of Pakistan and China are somehow both afraid of India which seems to be the assumption by some. The opposite is if anything true. Pakistan demonstrated ability to go into conflict with India and hold its own... by itself. China held almost the entire disputed territory for an entire year and while India China side didn't really use any true military capability, India recognised that fighting even the western theatre command PLA was not something it wished to do.
Considering that India military demonstrated an inability to "handle" and defeat either side (in China's case, it wouldn't really even engage) and adding to that India's internal turmoil (for the moment), it makes sense for India to agree to certain terms even if those are not broadcasted to the Jai Hind crowd, as obvious as it is to everyone else. Pakistan ceasefire agreements (mutual!) didn't come out of nowhere and no Pakistan isn't scared of India, if anything Pakistan has never enjoyed such an overall good position as it does/did before ceasefire. Agreeing only indicates India has provided certain promises that Pakistan sees worthwhile. Pakistan has not been afraid to engage India and respond when it was weaker and when India was more focused, stronger, and more stable. That was/is anything but the case even with disengagement along LAC. The disengagement is still a delicate thing at the moment and Gogra, Depsang, and Kailash ranges are still not addressed by India MoD as far as I'm aware so far. They said they would be disucssing the matter with the public within 2 days back around Feb 14th. Do we have updates on those from the Indian government or MoD?
Recent ceasefire with Pakistan was also agreed to by India in the last few weeks. It may be a case of India always hoping for a ceasefire along the LOC but Pakistan agreeing to it should also indicate a new understanding that India is ready to play nice with everyone and NOT a case of Pakistan and China are somehow both afraid of India which seems to be the assumption by some. The opposite is if anything true. Pakistan demonstrated ability to go into conflict with India and hold its own... by itself. China held almost the entire disputed territory for an entire year and while India China side didn't really use any true military capability, India recognised that fighting even the western theatre command PLA was not something it wished to do.
Considering that India military demonstrated an inability to "handle" and defeat either side (in China's case, it wouldn't really even engage) and adding to that India's internal turmoil (for the moment), it makes sense for India to agree to certain terms even if those are not broadcasted to the Jai Hind crowd, as obvious as it is to everyone else. Pakistan ceasefire agreements (mutual!) didn't come out of nowhere and no Pakistan isn't scared of India, if anything Pakistan has never enjoyed such an overall good position as it does/did before ceasefire. Agreeing only indicates India has provided certain promises that Pakistan sees worthwhile. Pakistan has not been afraid to engage India and respond when it was weaker and when India was more focused, stronger, and more stable. That was/is anything but the case even with disengagement along LAC. The disengagement is still a delicate thing at the moment and Gogra, Depsang, and Kailash ranges are still not addressed by India MoD as far as I'm aware so far. They said they would be disucssing the matter with the public within 2 days back around Feb 14th. Do we have updates on those from the Indian government or MoD?
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I don't know much about border guards. So this maybe a silly question. But here goes. Why are the Indians carrying shields that's got police written on it?
It's not often one quotes ones post. But given my psychic powers. (Not difficult) my prediction has come to past. Lol
A permanent banned. Lol
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