Ladakh Flash Point

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jfy1155

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And the authors are...... Indians! SURPRISE!
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Yogesh Joshi.
One of them is from an Indian media, Observer Research Foundation (ORF). Kind of biased when calling China a bully. They are too embarrassed to mention about India had to withdrawal back to their land and no patrolling finger 3-8. Also nothing about the on going situation in Depsang, Gogra, and Hot springs.
 

steel21

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One of them is from an Indian media, Observer Research Foundation (ORF). Kind of biased when calling China a bully. They are too embarrassed to mention about India had to withdrawal back to their land and no patrolling finger 3-8. Also nothing about the on going situation in Depsang, Gogra, and Hot springs.
"So why did Beijing ultimately agree to a reinstatement of the status quo? To alter Beijing’s cost-benefit matrix, India needed not military deterrence but to change the tactical military reality on the border. Its increased military presence provided options for employing limited but innovative force to buy leverage at the negotiating table. In the mountains, that meant occupying the higher ground. For example, in a late August preemptive move, the Indian Army captured the dominant features of the Kailash mountain range overseeing China’s positions in both the north and the south bank of the Pangong Tso lake. Indian forces also captured the dominant heights on the north bank of the lake. This tactical maneuver surprised the Chinese troops that remained ensconced on the lower ridges. India’s military actions had increased the costs for China to hold on to the territory it had grabbed. That gave India the tactical advantage so long as the conflict remained limited to the LAC."

Yea, coming from 2 morons that has no background in modern military applications nor operations.

That's the kind of innovation back in the 13th century before black powered artillery.

I'll you what is innovation:
1. Fly UAVs 24/7 in the region.
2. If you go over the line by so much as 100m, I will fire non lethal munitions (Colored smoke & CS Gas for daytime engagements, magnesium illuminators for night time ) about 150-200m in front of the intruders,
3. The implied message is that the next volley would be lethal DPICMs. Fire For Effect Mofos.

I don't care if you are in the high ground of in the low ground, that shit will rock your world and tare you a new asshole.
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"India is now facing a hostile great power that not only eyes its territory but also detests its rise in the global order."

No body is eyeing your shit. That rocky, low oxygen territory is useless. The rest of India is full of angry illiterate mouths to feed. Who da fuck needs that headache, especially since China just barely achieved its poverty elimination goals.

Also, India is on the rise, it is sinking fast.
 

quantumlight

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"So why did Beijing ultimately agree to a reinstatement of the status quo? To alter Beijing’s cost-benefit matrix, India needed not military deterrence but to change the tactical military reality on the border. Its increased military presence provided options for employing limited but innovative force to buy leverage at the negotiating table. In the mountains, that meant occupying the higher ground. For example, in a late August preemptive move, the Indian Army captured the dominant features of the Kailash mountain range overseeing China’s positions in both the north and the south bank of the Pangong Tso lake. Indian forces also captured the dominant heights on the north bank of the lake. This tactical maneuver surprised the Chinese troops that remained ensconced on the lower ridges. India’s military actions had increased the costs for China to hold on to the territory it had grabbed. That gave India the tactical advantage so long as the conflict remained limited to the LAC."

Yea, coming from 2 morons that has no background in modern military applications nor operations.

That's the kind of innovation back in the 13th century before black powered artillery.

I'll you what is innovation:
1. Fly UAVs 24/7 in the region.
2. If you go over the line by so much as 100m, I will fire non lethal munitions (Colored smoke & CS Gas for daytime engagements, magnesium illuminators for night time ) about 150-200m in front of the intruders,
3. The implied message is that the next volley would be lethal DPICMs. Fire For Effect Mofos.

I don't care if you are in the high ground of in the low ground, that shit will rock your world and tare you a new asshole.
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"India is now facing a hostile great power that not only eyes its territory but also detests its rise in the global order."

No body is eyeing your shit. That rocky, low oxygen territory is useless. The rest of India is full of angry illiterate mouths to feed. Who da fuck needs that headache, especially since China just barely achieved its poverty elimination goals.

Also, India is on the rise, it is sinking fast.


I think he is saying the issue lies that both sides are afraid of MAE (Mutually assured escalation) the whole point is to keep it non weapons... Just like in the nuclear age superpowers purposefully choose not to resort to nukes, and suffer conventional fighting, in this context both sides have choosen not to use real modern weapons and basically keep it stone age fights...

India and China are like two Go masters both have access to AI supercomputers to help them play Go but intentionally choose to keep it on the goban and not resort to computers.
 

steel21

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Also, India is NOT on the rise, it is sinking fast.
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>>> "The first concerns India’s military reorientation toward its northern borders. After almost half a century of a Pakistan-centric military posture, the Indian military—on land, air, and sea—will now be oriented toward China. Major reconfiguration in force positioning of the Indian Army, Air Force, and Navy is already underway.

Second, the process of India’s economic decoupling with China—which started with New Delhi’s decision to stay out of the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, a free trade agreement that includes China—will continue apace. India may relent on a few matters, but the larger trajectory of Sino-Indian economic relations is now set. Members of the Quad—Australia, India, Japan, and the United States—are increasingly realizing that Chinese power depends on the country’s economic interdependence with the liberal economies. Constraining China militarily will necessitate its economic isolation. India and the other Quad countries will feel the hurt in the near to midterm, but in the long term, marginalizing China will hurt Beijing more."

Dude, orienting from a smaller adversary to what is essentially the regional super power is a retarded move. It will eat up any funding and modernization that India needs to move out of its current level of development, which is lower than sub-Saharan Africa. BTW, air and sea system are significantly more expensive than land systems.

Decoupling? From the world's largest market and economic free trade block with the ONLY growing middle class?

I have no more words for these morons. I hope they didn't get paid for this piece of shit fantasy article.

Good luck with that quad shit. Check back in another 20 years on that Supa-Dupa Powa right over the corner.......
 

steel21

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I think he is saying the issue lies that both sides are afraid of MAE (Mutually assured escalation) the whole point is to keep it non weapons... Just like in the nuclear age superpowers purposefully choose not to resort to nukes, and suffer conventional fighting, in this context both sides have choosen not to use real modern weapons and basically keep it stone age fights...

India and China are like two Go masters both have access to AI supercomputers to help them play Go but intentionally choose to keep it on the goban and not resort to computers.
In that case, you can either make it like a puggle stick match

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Or play Mortal Kombat

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After watching the recent engagements, I think playing Mortal Kombat would work as deterrence better than medieval Kombat.

If India is indeed the aggressor, and China has significantly more assets and capability, then it should work better for both side than the current stalemate.
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
I am not saying that Nazis were right Violence of any kind especially if its intiated then I dont support it.
Why would I support nazis anyway just because he advocated aryans?
I support Non violence and benevolence.
If a country does this then I condemn this. But as I havent seen from my own eyes the clash of galwan how can I make opinion so early.
Always remember Patriotism only protects humans whereas a true spirituality provides for protection of both human and animals.
Its always spirituality above than nationalism
I don't believe in hocus pocus or bronze age superstition. There is science and logic. You are not even comparing apples to apples.

Spirituality is not the opposite to nationalism, globalism is.

Someone can be religious and still believe in nationalism, just ask any Republican American. And antheists can be nationalist as well.
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
I had learnt a bit of Confucius Spirituality.It do talk about soul as yinyang meaning two entities
Confucianism is not a religion, it's more of a moral code/governance method. Yinyang is daoism, which is kinda of a religion. And neither of which is related to how China deals with military matters. The only philosophy that matters to China in war is Sun Tze
 

plawolf

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What's interesting to me is that you can distinctly see Indian INSAS rifle being carried by member of the melee formation.

The Chinese side probably has guys armed with Type95G as well.

Yet, despite all the brutality and deaths, nobody decided to do a mag dump. WoW. I can understand a disciplined East Asian army not going hot based on ROE and or orders, what kept the Indians from going live?

Were the mags and rifles kept separately? You can distinctly see guys wearing their ammo rigs, which does not look fully loaded (at least it doesn't look like there were 2 mags in those pouches, since a full pouch would look "squared off"). Why wear an mag rig when all you all you got is a stick?

Was the intention of engaging at dusk used as a measure to dissuade the use of firearms? Since none of the Indian or PRC guys looks like they were wearing NODs, and melee engagement almost guarantee you get blue-on-blue with iron sights.

Had I been there, I would've lock and loaded my PMAG when I saw those dude come at me with sticks.
You talk was if you believe the Indian fake news media version of events.

The PLA only killed 4-5 Indians in actual combat, and even then it would have been through actual combat rather than cowardly executions as they Indians did.

Most of the Indian fatalities came from fleeing too hard.

No one on the Indian side did a mag dump for very simple reasons, firstly the PLA never backed them into such a corner where they believed they would be killed for certain (surrender was always an option), so there was no real need; the second reason would be that it wasn’t only the Indian troops who were armed with firearms. If you were Indian troops who where getting your butts beat black and blue in melee, you would literally need to be suicidal to want to escalate that to firearms; and thirdly but maybe most importantly, then Indians who could were all too busy fleeing as hard as they could to think about shooting.
 

coolieno99

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So you're not an Indian? upload a pic of your face as proof... this aligns and is consistent with your forward stance on information candidness does it not? If you are truthful what do you have to hide? you don't want to be accused or percieved as an information thief do you? or worse, a fucking moron

China does need to beef up its info wars but not against India... India is nothing, never will be, of that Im sure.

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You speak of deterrence, the only one China has to truly worry about is nuclear deterrence against US blackmail. India is not even a fly on the radar

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I dont have to be a CIA analyst to do linguistic analysis of your writing to figure out your are Indian troll and not Chinese at all
The maximum number of nukes held by a country was Russia with 39,197 nukes in 1985.
1/2 of the U.S. population is concentrated in just 75 cities. Just 75 nukes would put 1/2 of U.S. population at risk.
China successfully tested a weaponized H-bomb with a yield of 3 MT (equal to 150 Hiroshima bombs) in 1967.
India's most powerful nuke(not weaponized) tested had yield of 45kt (equal to about 2 Hiroshima bomb). It was a partial success, because it did not complete its fusion burn.
I don't think China has just 300 nukes. Probably more like 3,000 nukes. China acquired 6th generation gas centrifuges from Russia some years back. Assuming China reversed engineered those centrifuges, it will boost China nuke inventory greatly.
 
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Gatekeeper

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No one on the Indian side did a mag dump for very simple reasons, firstly the PLA never backed them into such a corner where they believed they would be killed for certain (surrender was always an option), so there was no real need; the second reason would be that it wasn’t only the Indian troops who were armed with firearms.

Maybe surrender is not an option because they were afraid of what they might get after they litually cowardly murdered the Chinese troops like they do back home to Muslims for delivering cows.

So they rather takectheur chances with the cold water than surrender.
 
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