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I am still unmarried I dont want to be beaten by Police by asking these questions.
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But India's strategic goal is to capture up to finger 8. They have to sit behind finger 3 now.
China's strategic goal was to settle this dispute for good with an offer to settle the border between F4 and F8. This offer has been given to Indian since 1959.
PLA captured Finger 8 to Finger 4 territory and associated points in the north west. For an entire year, IA tried evicting PLA and failed. China proved that it could stay and negotiations resulted in India accepting a compromise of giving up India's strategic goal of owning the disputed stretch up to finger 8. What's not to get?
Without PLA capturing up to F4, India would probably be less inclined to accept the offer China's been giving since 1959. Variations sure but you know as well as I do China's claims past F8 are just there to secure a deal which it favours... you know the same one it keeps offering.
This is conceptually rather simple but IT cell trolls have instructions and the rest are just that dumb it seems.
Strategic?? Take a look how close this all is to New Delhi and how close this is to even an outskirt city like Chengdu. Now talk about strategic again with a clearer big picture mindset.
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As you can see, India is working overdrive to sell the narrative that they've won, and won big against China, from the very start. And that it's a narrative that New Delhi have no other option but to stick with. Modi has took a bet that China would cave in but obviously he lost the bet and he now have no plan B to walk it back....which leaves him the only option: to bet China won't make a push to crash his parade.
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Modi is hurting the Indian nation by appealing to the Hindu nationalists hard core "values" just like former President Trump did with trying to appease the MAGA nationalist racist crowds that stormed the capitol under his command.
Honestly these Indians are simply too shameless. Unless the PLA marches into New Delhi, they will always claim victory. I mean they also did claim victory after losing one fighter, captured pilot, and shooting down own helicopter in a day of engaging PAF and turned it into false victory with a story about Mig-21 shooting down F-16 so it's all fine and Jai Hind won.
1. India gets to patrol up to F8 and claim up to F8 with PLA patrolling up to F3/4 but wanting to settle anywhere between F4 and F8.
2. CCP considers Indian build up and threats to Kashmir provocative and commands PLA to capture up to F4 with the aim of forcing India to accept settlement deal and move back from patrolling up to F8.
3. India useless and lost F4 to F8 and could not get it back no matter what they tried.
4. Negotiations result in India staying behind F3 in return for PLA moving back to positions before PLA captured nearly all of India's claims.
5. India thoroughly defeated in 1->4 and Indian decision makers realise the only saving grace would be to make up false stories of mass PLA deaths which China has now (after clash) revealed to be untrue with India totally unwilling to officially declare it.
How is India achieving anything here?
1. India gets to patrol up to F8 and claim up to F8 with PLA patrolling up to F3/4 but wanting to settle anywhere between F4 and F8.
2. CCP considers Indian build up and threats to Kashmir provocative and commands PLA to capture up to F4 with the aim of forcing India to accept settlement deal and move back from patrolling up to F8.
3. India useless and lost F4 to F8 and could not get it back no matter what they tried.
4. Negotiations result in India staying behind F3 in return for PLA moving back to positions before PLA captured nearly all of India's claims.
5. India thoroughly defeated in 1->4 and Indian decision makers realise the only saving grace would be to make up false stories of mass PLA deaths which China has now (after clash) revealed to be untrue with India totally unwilling to officially declare it.
How is India achieving anything here?
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Why does India not officially say they count PLA deaths at 40 or 20-30 or whatever numbers it's been making up and allowing Indian media and Indian fake news international ( to propagate?
How come literally all suggestions of PLA deaths come from unofficial sources quoting anonymous? allegedly from Indian military? Why not directly say this so China can refute it? Why not officially say China's lying when it says PLA lost 4 men? Why not since it clearly thinks the PLA lost much more?
Can you answer the above without dodging and getting off track with excuses and off-topic?
Why was China able to capture over 40 Indians during the clash that allegedly killed anywhere from 20 to 100+ PLA? Why did China release over 40 captives which India admits to without executing them if India really killed so many PLA? Why did India not manage to control the situation whereas PLA was? Clearly PLA came out of the fight on top if it could capture over 40 Indians with a bilaterally recognised 20+ Indians killed?
None of these Indian claims pass any immediate bullshit test if the facts are considered. The Chinese claims do. They did capture over 40 Indians. At least 20 Indians were killed in the June 15th/16th fight. IA couldn't take land from the PLA. Something that is strange if it could kill 20 to 100+ PLA.
Why does India not officially say they count PLA deaths at 40 or 20-30 or whatever numbers it's been making up and allowing Indian media and Indian fake news international ( to propagate?
How come literally all suggestions of PLA deaths come from unofficial sources quoting anonymous? allegedly from Indian military? Why not directly say this so China can refute it? Why not officially say China's lying when it says PLA lost 4 men? Why not since it clearly thinks the PLA lost much more?
Can you answer the above without dodging and getting off track with excuses and off-topic?
Why was China able to capture over 40 Indians during the clash that allegedly killed anywhere from 20 to 100+ PLA? Why did China release over 40 captives which India admits to without executing them if India really killed so many PLA? Why did India not manage to control the situation whereas PLA was? Clearly PLA came out of the fight on top if it could capture over 40 Indians with a bilaterally recognised 20+ Indians killed?
None of these Indian claims pass any immediate bullshit test if the facts are considered. The Chinese claims do. They did capture over 40 Indians. At least 20 Indians were killed in the June 15th/16th fight. IA couldn't take land from the PLA. Something that is strange if it could kill 20 to 100+ PLA.
Chinese were hiding 4 soldiers from last 8 months while Indian govt relased info next day.
It's China who capitulate every time. We saw videos of drone making food delivery to Chinese claiming Indian army can't sustain in mountain.
After all this China decides to withdraw.
You didn't answer any of the questions and used a typical dodge that Indians like to emply.
Why did India lie about shooting down an F-16? Why did Indian lie about losing Mig-21 at start? and why lie about June attack on PLA?
China didn't hide 4 soldiers being lost. China revealed it. Why would they reveal 8 months later and not immediately? Because India lost 20+ and had over 40 captured. This is why China waited 8 months to reveal because the losses were so disproportionate and the Chinese didn't want to lie like Indian liar campaigners who stated Russia banned S-400 delivery despite S-400 delivery to China completing at the start of 2020. It is ironically India who has not received S-400. Many more lies from India exposed and proven. Can you name one Chinese lie during this incident? A single one that's been proven like the Indian ones? Want me to go over them all again?
I see you are unable to address a single point in my post with the dodge that failed as badly as India's attempts to take F8 failed.
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