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lp1g said:
It's China who capitulate every time. We saw videos of drone making food delivery to Chinese claiming Indian army can't sustain in mountain.

After all this China decides to withdraw.
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After all this, India has withdrawn from F8 to F3. China took up to F4 - China never had F4 to F8. After taking it, China was able to force india into withdrawing by leaving F4 to F8.

You need to understand that F4 to F8 was pure Chinese gain. Withdrawing from the gain to get Indian behind F3 while India wants F8 is more than a net Chinese gain.

India not only capitulated with this Pangong deal if you look at historic claims and offers. India also lost Kailash and India is still begging for Gogra, Hot springs, and Depsang positions which it claims. India did not live up to its word of reporting on these points within 2 days of Feb 14th.
 
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@Kakyan @lp1g @twineedle

Why is India hiding now that China revealed the truth that Indians were armed and planned the attack in June? Why isn't India refuting this officially when it originally claimed that Chinese attacked them. Now that China officially stated it was India who attacked with clear intentions and equipment, why is India trying to be silent?

Why is India afraid of refuting any Chinese claim whether it is PLA losing 4 in total (as opposed to what Indian alleged military men have allegedly said to Indian journalists)?

Can't properly address any question without dodging with a "but China hid 4 deaths for 8 months"... no China revealed total loss after situation was over and it seems likely they chose to withhold during the situation so as to not cause Jai Hind asses from burning at the comparison of 20+ IA killed with 40+ IA captured (acknowledged officially by both) compared to PLA losing 4 soldiers and zero PLA captured by India during June 15th/16th.
 
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Why did Indian media and India government lie about the situation being normal and nothing happening for 3 months between Feb and May?

Why did Indian media lie about PLA deaths which they have absolutely no way of possibly knowing? Which no foreign intelligence has said anything about, only Indian media propagating numbers which foreign media admit they were using?

Why did Indian media lie about graveyard footage?

Why did Indian media lie about Su-35 being shot down?

Why did Indian government hide and lie about being attacked by PLA and IA being unequipped when photos prove that even before June clash, Indian army held iron bars and had riot gear?

Now all those above have been proven to be lies by now.

When has China lied?
 
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Yeah right. Corrected for you. India govt released false information the next day.
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@Kakyan @lp1g @twineedle

Why did Indian government release inaccurate and false info (they started with 5 IA deaths then 10 then so on until 20 then 20+ and then back to 20) so early and China waited until the situation reached agreement to release info?? Well I'll answer that. There is a clear difference between how the two government act. There is absolutely no proof that China is lying and if it is, the CCP doesn't dare to provide such a high profile lie any US intel could immediately prove.

Why doesn't US intel back India's nonsense about PLA losing more than 4 men? Why not if it can prove China and CCP a huge liar and embarrass it? Why not let official parties do the releasing of info and let official parties refute and challenge one another on the release of info they are providing?

Why did Indian officials let their media handlers spread lies on purpose about more than 4 PLA killed and never state it officially? China has used state media to report 20 IA deaths and "many captured". Why doesn't India find its backbone and provide official means to report and challenge one another and get the truth?

We know India lied about Su-35 shot by Taiwan, about F-16 being shot by Mig-21, about PLA graveyards using a Chinese documentary footage from 2011 and 2013, also lied about nothing happening, lied about PLA withdrew every few weeks for the first half of 2020.

Why should we trust India over China which till date has not been challenged on its words and has not been proven to have lied.

China the one that provided info that was so humiliating to India only after the situation was diminished.
 
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ougoah said:
@Kakyan @lp1g @twineedle

Why did Indian government release inaccurate and false info (they started with 5 IA deaths then 10 then so on until 20 then 20+ and then back to 20) so early and China waited until the situation reached agreement to release info?? Well I'll answer that. There is a clear difference between how the two government act. There is absolutely no proof that China is lying and if it is, the CCP doesn't dare to provide such a high profile lie any US intel could immediately prove.

Why doesn't US intel back India's nonsense about PLA losing more than 4 men? Why not if it can prove China and CCP a huge liar and embarrass it? Why not let official parties do the releasing of info and let official parties refute and challenge one another on the release of info they are providing?

Why did Indian officials let their media handlers spread lies on purpose about more than 4 PLA killed and never state it officially? China has used state media to report 20 IA deaths and "many captured". Why doesn't India find its backbone and provide official means to report and challenge one another and get the truth?

We know India lied about Su-35 shot by Taiwan, about F-16 being shot by Mig-21, about PLA graveyards using a Chinese documentary footage from 2011 and 2013, also lied about nothing happening, lied about PLA withdrew every few weeks for the first half of 2020.

Why should we trust India over China which till date has not been challenged on its words and has not been proven to have lied.

China the one that provided info that was so humiliating to India only after the situation was diminished.
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Chinese govt hiding soldiers deaths vs Indian govt releasing info as soon as they get.

But you will need IQ above 79 to understand this.
 
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You know you lot are pathetic when all your efforts are focused on manipulating narratives, battling perception rather than the problems of reality. All while the real India is in the state it is.

How does India have a shred of reputation after a history of making lying its main talent?
 
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Chinese govt hiding soldiers deaths vs Indian govt releasing info as soon as they get.

But you will need IQ above 79 to understand this.
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If Chinese govt was hiding PLA deaths why did they then release it right after the disengagement?

You need an IQ over 20 to understand this.

You need an IQ over 10 to understand that China was waiting because the info would have pushed Modi towards a classic Indian mob lynching and pushed Jai Hinds into war with China which would be such a waste of material for PLA.

How come Indian govt didn't release info that PLA controlled F8 to F4 for two to three months? Well reported even by India's own who know Modi was lying and something was up?
 
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I know you have rupees to make through posting elsewhere but can you lift your game here? It's pathetic to all who read this dialogue. Do you have nothing more than cop-outs?

Quote each of my questions and respond with quality if you can... I know it's not possible because these questions break down your entire position but have a go so we can have a laugh.

Why do you say Chinese govt was hiding when the Chinese govt literally the following days of June fight reported that a violent clash happened? If it wanted to say 4 PLA dead then, they could have said it. If that's a lie there is no point waiting 8 months. They could have said 4 PLA lost the following week. You need a semi decent intelligence to understand these things now.

CCP claiming 4 PLA lost 8 months after fighting could have been done the next week. It's all the same and all as easy to be called out back then as it is now. Why doesn't anyone call it out since they know?? Can't answer it because the answer are obvious and embarrassing to India i.e. (or your low intelligence) withholding such a relatively small PLA loss for that long was to shelve nationalist sentiments until negotiations can be worked and finalised.
 
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