Ladakh Flash Point

Figaro said:

Where did he say this?

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manqiangrexue said:

Indians are mocking this?? They must have taken one too many rocks to the head; they don't even know what is good and what is bad in the military. A soldier being partially on guard even when sleeping is a trait to be admired. If Indians mock that, then what do they think is appropriate, for a sleeping solder to be kicked awake to his own gun pointed at his face?

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manqiangrexue said:

The reason China doesn't make this headline news is so Modi has an easier time backing off (which he realizes that he needs to) without a mob of 1.3B pushing him for escalation and revenge.

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longmarch said:

The official casualty number from PLA is the least important thing to India. It's like cutting your finger off to show someone that you are serious, yet they don't care. India has a zillion ways to spin PLA's number, why is that important?

The thinking of helping Modi save face and deescalate is very piece meal fashion and does harm to the long term stability of the border. China should think in broader, longer term, not just how to get out of the current crisis.

The idea of help Modi de-escalate is dangerous. It underestimate India society's ability to form public opinion based on the interest THEY see. It underestimates India military's appetite to take casualties. A few dozen casualties, a private humiliation, means nothing to them. Last year they had fighter jets shot down, pilot captured, helicopter crashed, but nothing changed. Why this time is any different?

On the contrary, China's goodwill can only been seen as a sign of weakness,i.e. China is eager to deescalate. If I'm Modi, I would draw the conclusion that China is afraid of economic backlash.

And that might not be too far from the truth either, that Chinese leadership is afraid of economic backlash. Otherwise, why not disclose the casualty number which every normal country in the world would do, which means nothing to India!

Knowing the thinking of your opponent is really important. If you have been dealing with someone and things don't work, change it instead of keep repeating the same failed approach again and again.

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longmarch said:

I do believe there was at least one died on PLA side.

And it's very bad and wrong idea for PLA to not disclose their casualties to save face for their opponent. That's just absurd logic and indicator that till this day China doesn't know how to handle India's aggressive behavior and encroachment.

Maybe it made sense in 1962 when China didn't know India well. But 2020?

Regardless what number China may provide, India can find their own ladder and come down themselves. After all, whatever number China says would just be mocked at, not just by India, but also Western media at large.

Hiding PLA casualties can only enbolden further aggressiveness from India side - it's easily seen as a sign of weakness in public eye, it's a disgrace and betrayal to those sacrificed their lives.

What China needs to do is to train India's behavior, both society and military. And hiding your own casualties in the name of saving your opponent's face can only do the opposite. From my observation, any goodwill from China side is seen as sign of weakness. And it's been like this for decades. This has to stop.

Now India is awarding their men medals. Rest assured, they will come back again.

What PLA is doing to their men? Just silent. Don't ever tell me this is the right approach. It is not. It is stupid, and it is weak.

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longmarch said:

The official casualty number from PLA is the least important thing to India. It's like cutting your finger off to show someone that you are serious, yet they don't care. India has a zillion ways to spin PLA's number, why is that important?

The thinking of helping Modi save face and deescalate is very piece meal fashion and does harm to the long term stability of the border. China should think in broader, longer term, not just how to get out of the current crisis.

The idea of help Modi de-escalate is dangerous. It underestimate India society's ability to form public opinion based on the interest THEY see. It underestimates India military's appetite to take casualties. A few dozen casualties, a private humiliation, means nothing to them. Last year they had fighter jets shot down, pilot captured, helicopter crashed, but nothing changed. Why this time is any different?

On the contrary, China's goodwill can only been seen as a sign of weakness,i.e. China is eager to deescalate. If I'm Modi, I would draw the conclusion that China is afraid of economic backlash.

And that might not be too far from the truth either, that Chinese leadership is afraid of economic backlash. Otherwise, why not disclose the casualty number which every normal country in the world would do, which means nothing to India!

Knowing the thinking of your opponent is really important. If you have been dealing with someone and things don't work, change it instead of keep repeating the same failed approach again and again.

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longmarch said:

The official casualty number from PLA is the least important thing to India. It's like cutting your finger off to show someone that you are serious, yet they don't care. India has a zillion ways to spin PLA's number, why is that important?

The thinking of helping Modi save face and deescalate is very piece meal fashion and does harm to the long term stability of the border. China should think in broader, longer term, not just how to get out of the current crisis.

The idea of help Modi de-escalate is dangerous. It underestimate India society's ability to form public opinion based on the interest THEY see. It underestimates India military's appetite to take casualties. A few dozen casualties, a private humiliation, means nothing to them. Last year they had fighter jets shot down, pilot captured, helicopter crashed, but nothing changed. Why this time is any different?

On the contrary, China's goodwill can only been seen as a sign of weakness,i.e. China is eager to deescalate. If I'm Modi, I would draw the conclusion that China is afraid of economic backlash.

And that might not be too far from the truth either, that Chinese leadership is afraid of economic backlash. Otherwise, why not disclose the casualty number which every normal country in the world would do, which means nothing to India!

Knowing the thinking of your opponent is really important. If you have been dealing with someone and things don't work, change it instead of keep repeating the same failed approach again and again.

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Maxef208 said:

How do you stop a Country filled with people who are essentially the black Knight from Monty Python short of completely severing it's limbs and possibly decapitating him? I mean Indian hypernationalists seriously do not believe they lose in anything...

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solarz said:

You don't seem to realize that India presents zero threat to China. India vs China is as much of a mismatch as Iraq vs US in the first Gulf War.

So whatever China is doing to keep this disparity of power is in fact wildly successful.

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longmarch said:

That's the point. It's hopeless endeavor to please India. Why not just ignore India's domestic politics and do what normal country would do, at least give your war dead some proper recognition.

To change their behavior you have to humiliate them publicly, otherwise what do they lose. They are not the ones who go to frontline and die. The fact that China doesn't want to escalate means China is afraid of something, and India knows it. India knows China wants to focus on the east and is taking full advantage of it. To stop the nonsense China has to show that it's serious and China is willing to escalate. Withholding casualty number is way off the point.

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solarz said:

You don't seem to realize that India presents zero threat to China. India vs China is as much of a mismatch as Iraq vs US in the first Gulf War.

So whatever China is doing to keep this disparity of power is in fact wildly successful.

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